Posted by antonsirius on 7/2/2010 9:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by travisg on 7/2/2010 7:15:00 AM (view original):
As soon as the ripped-off n00b leaves the league, the lesson he's learned is lost, along with the talent his former franchise gave away for nothing.

So basically, your position is that the n00b is going to leave anyway, so while he's there he's going to damn well run the franchise the way you want him to.

Yeah, great league you've got there.

If vetoing is telling someone else how to run his franchise, I assume you would never veto any trade? If it's wrong to veto when a veteran owner rips off a noob, when should a veto be used? If you believe it's fine to build a better team at the expense of the world, you have no business calling anything else a "crap argument."

The only time I veto trades is when the money being offered exceeds the salaries involved on that side -- i.e. cash for players. But that's because I frown on human trafficking, even for imaginary people.

Sometimes I veto every trade I see, just because I can.

Posted by travisg on 7/2/2010 12:23:00 PM (view original):
Sometimes I veto every trade I see, just because I can.

That's fair.

My point of view:  those owners that veto a trade are straight up jealous they didn't offer slightly more.... PERIOD! 

Posted by moy23 on 7/3/2010 5:39:00 PM (view original):
My point of view:  those owners that veto a trade are straight up jealous they didn't offer slightly more.... PERIOD! 

Ah-ha, the vaunted "Rise Above" argument: "Jealous cowards try to control ... Try and stop what we do, when they can't do it themselves. We are tired of your abuse! Try to stop us, it's no use!"

I was always more of a Dead Kennedys/Social Distortion guy, myself.

Play in a crap world and tell me how much fun it is when you have five teams winning 120 games and five teams losing 120 games. Tell me how much fun it is at the end of the season when someone makes the comment that says "only need 18 to fill." I just left the first world that I ever played in because of this type of crap. 

As far as the jealousy argument goes, I vetoed trades with solid players in them that I had no interest in acquiring. There would not be an option to veto if it was not supposed to be used to protect worlds.