MelvinHernandez

I just acquired him for tow talented hitting prospects.  He's a stud. Great durability and has a great pitch count for his talent and durability.

I don't want to use him as a closer because I want to get more innings out of him.  I think I can get 130 or so in a year.

Currently I have him set as my only SubA, asuming that he will get the first call anytime he's ready to go.

How would you use him?  I've never had a really talented reliever like him.

moe

It depends on the rest of your bullpen. If you do not have another quality reliever I would list him as closer with 7th or 8th inning and 35ish PC. That way the sim will only use him when in the lead. If you list him as Sub A you might find yourself having him come in the 6th inning and a losing situation, then in a game when you are leading you will have him tired. If you have a deep bullpen then coming in a losing situation is just fine.

IMO, set him as a SetupA, available in the 7th, with a TPC/MPC of 30/35 .  Set your other relievers as whatever you want (besides closer).  With his ratings, the computer will select him anytime the game is close.  I wouldn't list him as a closer because you probably want him coming in a tie game and/or when your down by a run or two.

So plague, I shouldn't llist a closer, at all.  Just a bunch of Setup B's?  moe

The thing about what Plague said in a losing situation , I have no problem if he comes in and he keeps me in the game until the offense can score.

Setup A, available any, TPC/MPC 30/35.

I have two guys like that in my Shoeless Joe World...

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2067411 (Jaime Jefferies)
http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2144076 (George Garcia)

Jefferies has given me as much as 150 innings before.  Garcia gave me 125 innings this past season, a 15-2 record, and is up for CY consideration.  High durability/stamina relief pitchers are extremely valuable, IMHO.

Posted by moethedog on 8/8/2010 10:41:00 AM (view original):
So plague, I shouldn't llist a closer, at all.  Just a bunch of Setup B's?  moe

I think it depends on the rest of your bullpen. Is he by far the best reliever in your bullpen? You can get a lot of innings out of him and still have him listed as your closer. Just list him as coming in the 6th inning and list him as closer, he won't finish but he will play in winning situations.....I don't think its bad to have him come in only losing situations. I think 5 people can give you different opinions and all 5 people can be possibly right, there is no right answer.

Here is a pitcher Ted Thompson I have had for a long time who is probably ballpark in comparing to your pitcher. I list him as closer with 8th inning available and 30 PC with 35 Max PC. He gets about 70 innings a season, I could probably stretch it to 100 innings in another role, but I feel he has been by far my best reliever and that the difference in blown saves other relievers would of given me would not of been worth the extra 30-50 innings I could of gotten out of him in other situations. Right or Wrong I do not know, but it was the decision I made.

Posted by plague on 8/8/2010 5:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moethedog on 8/8/2010 10:41:00 AM (view original):
So plague, I shouldn't llist a closer, at all.  Just a bunch of Setup B's?  moe

I think it depends on the rest of your bullpen. Is he by far the best reliever in your bullpen? You can get a lot of innings out of him and still have him listed as your closer. Just list him as coming in the 6th inning and list him as closer, he won't finish but he will play in winning situations.....I don't think its bad to have him come in only losing situations. I think 5 people can give you different opinions and all 5 people can be possibly right, there is no right answer.

Here is a pitcher Ted Thompson I have had for a long time who is probably ballpark in comparing to your pitcher. I list him as closer with 8th inning available and 30 PC with 35 Max PC. He gets about 70 innings a season, I could probably stretch it to 100 innings in another role, but I feel he has been by far my best reliever and that the difference in blown saves other relievers would of given me would not of been worth the extra 30-50 innings I could of gotten out of him in other situations. Right or Wrong I do not know, but it was the decision I made.

Plague, you could stretch Ted Thompson far past 100 in another role. 

Frankly, I think you're leaving about 1/2 of Thompson's value on the table by using him for only 70 IP per season. With a team ERA of 5.55 last season, I think you'd be much better off maximizing Thompson's innings. He's the sort of guy who would probably be used for 150 IP+ for me, especially if the rest of my staff was junk.

Posted by moethedog on 8/8/2010 2:17:00 AM (view original):
MelvinHernandez

I just acquired him for tow talented hitting prospects.  He's a stud. Great durability and has a great pitch count for his talent and durability.

I don't want to use him as a closer because I want to get more innings out of him.  I think I can get 130 or so in a year.

Currently I have him set as my only SubA, asuming that he will get the first call anytime he's ready to go.

How would you use him?  I've never had a really talented reliever like him.

moe

Setup A, 25/35.

Available inning depends on the rest of your pen. If you have good arms who just don't have his dur/sta combo, probably "Any." If the rest of your pen is weak, probably 6th inning, maybe 7th.

If he's your best pitcher (by effectively ratings) in the pen, no worries about having other guys be listed as Setup A also. The AI will still use him first if you've got a lead.

my best reliever is almost always my setup a, available 6th or 7th inning (depending on dur/stam)

Posted by zbrent716 on 8/8/2010 6:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by plague on 8/8/2010 5:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moethedog on 8/8/2010 10:41:00 AM (view original):
So plague, I shouldn't llist a closer, at all.  Just a bunch of Setup B's?  moe

I think it depends on the rest of your bullpen. Is he by far the best reliever in your bullpen? You can get a lot of innings out of him and still have him listed as your closer. Just list him as coming in the 6th inning and list him as closer, he won't finish but he will play in winning situations.....I don't think its bad to have him come in only losing situations. I think 5 people can give you different opinions and all 5 people can be possibly right, there is no right answer.

Here is a pitcher Ted Thompson I have had for a long time who is probably ballpark in comparing to your pitcher. I list him as closer with 8th inning available and 30 PC with 35 Max PC. He gets about 70 innings a season, I could probably stretch it to 100 innings in another role, but I feel he has been by far my best reliever and that the difference in blown saves other relievers would of given me would not of been worth the extra 30-50 innings I could of gotten out of him in other situations. Right or Wrong I do not know, but it was the decision I made.

Plague, you could stretch Ted Thompson far past 100 in another role. 

Frankly, I think you're leaving about 1/2 of Thompson's value on the table by using him for only 70 IP per season. With a team ERA of 5.55 last season, I think you'd be much better off maximizing Thompson's innings. He's the sort of guy who would probably be used for 150 IP+ for me, especially if the rest of my staff was junk.

I have used other relievers for a large amount of innings on other teams. Examples Ruben Diaz, Armando Piccaso, Damian Chang, Pablo Silva, Mendy Elliott, The advantage these guys had was they all had another reliever with closer ability, something Ted Thompson does not have, he had 1 other reliever as good as him on that team for many seasons, but that player played the role of 100 plus innings while Thompson got the job done as a closer. I can't handle a reliever as my closer that will blow 15-20 plus games a season, that alone can be the difference between playoff team to non playoff team. P.S. That team with a 5.55 team ERA last season won the World Series the season before, sometimes seasons just do not work out for you.