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docmastermd
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say a DIII recruit has decent starting stats and high potential in A, SP, DE, PE, BH, ST, and FT. All this looks great but what if he has a WE in the teens? i know that this is frowned upon but if you were to see that much green does that override the low WE. How should i go about the situation?

When thinking about it, i look at WE as improving when the player is not playing much. This makes it important for younger guys. am i way off on this?

8/10/2010 1:33 PM
tianyi7886
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I don't think he's gonna grow much. A coach told me a player's growth won't really pick up until WE hits the high 30s/low 40s, so his minimum WE is 30ish, assuming you get him some PT early and boost his WE up.
8/10/2010 1:40 PM
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There are a few possible possibilities concerning this scenario: (1) Apply redshirt; however, the downsides are that he might reject the redshirt (leaving him with even less WE) or any gains made during the redshirt season might possibly be lost during the off-season. (2) Focus large amounts of practice time at a very few skills until his WE improves, such as giving 20 minutes to PE and BH, to improve the chances of meaningful development in key skills (at the cost of overall improvement).

The most difficult aspect about this situation is that he will never max-out in all those categories with high potential, but if he has decent rating to begin with then he will still have some form of immediate value. It just depends on how soon you need him to be an impact player. 
8/10/2010 2:06 PM
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its a tease...........pass
8/10/2010 2:17 PM
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As an experiment, I took a guy with a 16 WE. He is getting 16.5 mpg as a backup and his WE has gone up 2 points thru 24 games. His high potential areas have increased between 3-5 points each with between 10-20 practice minutes. I won't take anyone that low again. My usual cutoff for WE is 25 and I prefer them to be at least 30. If you don't plan on giving the guy at least 15 mpg then forget it and if you do take him and give him the playing time you can see what to expect.
8/10/2010 3:31 PM
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I signed one last year. I'm only 1 season into it, but with 11 WE which is now 13 he gained 4 to 5 in every high potential area - speed, ath, per, bh, passing. He lost 2 in def with 5 minutes into it, but overall it worked out fine. 
8/10/2010 7:23 PM
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I agree with Skunk, it's a tease to see who will bite the hook, Pass on him.
8/10/2010 10:39 PM
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Posted by nachopuzzle on 8/10/2010 2:06:00 PM (view original):
There are a few possible possibilities concerning this scenario: (1) Apply redshirt; however, the downsides are that he might reject the redshirt (leaving him with even less WE) or any gains made during the redshirt season might possibly be lost during the off-season. (2) Focus large amounts of practice time at a very few skills until his WE improves, such as giving 20 minutes to PE and BH, to improve the chances of meaningful development in key skills (at the cost of overall improvement).

The most difficult aspect about this situation is that he will never max-out in all those categories with high potential, but if he has decent rating to begin with then he will still have some form of immediate value. It just depends on how soon you need him to be an impact player. 
If he doesn't play in the two exhibition games, I've never had a guy reject a redshirt.

With new development, I'm even trying to avoid players with WE in the 30's, but I definitely have been teased by these guys last cycle. I still have some players from the old generation with low WE who are starting and have decent potential and only improving a couple points. If you get him, he's a 100% redshirt because unless he runs your Off/Def in high school, his IQ will not improve enough to be able to play him for a good majority of the season.

If you still haven't made your mind, this is the kid that teased me last cycle with high potential in speed, defense, perimeter, ball handling, and passing (+sta/dur)
Initial WE of 10, these are his ratings through 23 games: Frankie Neeley
     - didn't redshirt, and with 17 minutes a game, his WE improved by only 1
     - not my kid though so I don't know his team or individual practice minutes
8/11/2010 1:28 AM (edited)
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I recruited 3 guys this past year, one with a WE of 51 and the other two with WE's of 14 and 13. I felt fine about the SG with a 13 WE, because (a) he's already a starting-caliber player regardless of improvement in cores, (b) he had high potential in 4 important areas, and (c) I knew I could give him mins and starts right away. It's early, but through 5 gms, he's playing 20.8 decent mins / gm, and has improved by 1 pt in each of 6 categories, including WE. I may follow nachopuzzle's idea and focus more practice mins on fewer areas, but overall I think he'll be fine.

The SF with a 13 WE - looks like a mistake on my part. I can't give him mins right now, so not surprisingly, he's shown zero overall improvement.

btw, for comparison, I redshirted the 51 WE center, and he's already improved by 8 pts. He's going to be great for me in the future, and that's why, given a choice of RS'ing a high WE guy or a low WE guy, I'd RS the high guy - more early improvement for that guy. If your low WE guy isn't going to be valuable without drastic improvement, he's not worth taking anyway.
8/11/2010 10:49 AM
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