I had my eye on several jobs where a coach may have been getting the ax. With all due respect to the users involved, how does one coach in particular not get canned?

Virginia Tech:

Season	Coach	Overall W-L	Home W-L	Road W-L	Neutral W-L	Conf W-L	Rank	RPI	Prestige	Notes
28	nuandvtdan	2-25	2-12	0-12	0-1	1-15		257	C
27	nuandvtdan	12-16	7-6	4-9	1-1	7-9		104	C+
26	nuandvtdan	5-22	3-11	2-10	0-1	2-14		185	C
25	nuandvtdan	13-15	6-7	6-7	1-1	4-12		104	C
24	nuandvtdan	10-17	6-7	4-9	0-1	3-13		146	C
23	nuandvtdan	5-22	2-13	3-8	0-1	0-16		205	C

Again, I respect any coach that can get to a Big 6 school. But come on. No winning seasons, no postseason berths, and no top-100 RPI's in six seasons? That's gotta be cause for a firing, I would think.

The question I have is whether or not standards are more, less or equally lenient/harsh for non Big 6 schools.  Reason being is that I built a horrible low mid major team up to respectability but have had 5 seasons now without a post-season berth.  Yet after 4 seasons boosters started complaining and now after 5 I'm in jeapardy despite the fact that I won a CC and even have an overall winning record both in past four seasons.  Plus a consistent .500% or above conference record.

Season	Coach	Overall W-L	Home W-L	Road W-L	Neutral W-L	Conf W-L	Rank	RPI	Prestige	Notes
28	aidiamo	13-14	4-6	9-7	0-1	8-8		254	D+
27	aidiamo	18-11	8-4	8-6	2-1	12-4		150	C-	Conf Champion
26	aidiamo	17-12	9-6	6-5	2-1	10-6		119	C-
25	aidiamo	12-17	5-4	5-12	2-1	9-7		157	C
24	aidiamo	14-15	5-4	7-10	2-1	9-7		129	C
23	aidiamo	21-8	11-1	9-5	1-2	13-3		48	C+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
22	aidiamo	17-12	9-5	8-6	0-1	13-3		82	C	Conf Champion PI (2nd Round)
21	aidiamo	17-13	7-3	8-9	2-1	10-6		87	C	PI (1st Round)

And at the end of the most recent season I was 13-10 and then went on a run of 4 straight losses to inferior Sim teams to end my season.  I'm not a conspiracy guy, necessarly, but I could have understood 1 loss but all four seemed odd.  I got a little over-heated with CS after the first 2, then just laughed at the second two.

The thing I wonder also is whether or not a post-season appearance is all that matters for a low mid major to keep their job just the same as a big 6 school?  I'll have a winning record next season that will wipe out the bad season I had in year 25.  For as long as I remember the Big West has always had multiple teams make the post-season but with all the changes as of late this looks like it will cut a lot of conferences down to 1, maybe 2 post-season teams moving forward.

Just seems strange that a coach in the ACC who is 47-117 or a coach at a prestigious school like Kentucky can go 13 seasons without a NT appearance and still have their jobs yet a coach at Cal State Northridge who is 95-77, won a CC, had a 48 RPI finish and a NT appearance all in the same time period as the coach above is 1 season away of being fired.

Nothing against those coaches either, God knows I'm not proud of my last 5 years.

So let me get this straight, when you lose 2 games you think  you should win you start sending tickets?

Posted by dahsdebater on 8/23/2010 11:22:00 PM (view original):
So let me get this straight, when you lose 2 games you think  you should win you start sending tickets?

No, but when you play 90% of your season and are mostly competitive even in losses and then all of a sudden you are dominated at home by two vastly inferior SIM teams then you can't help but raise an eyebrow.   One game was a 29 point loss at home to a team with 9 freshman.  I was out rebounded 50-36 and gave up 24 turnovers to their 15.  They had 1 rebounder over a 70 ratings to my 7.  Low Post I had (3) 90+ GUYS, (3) 90+ defenders, (1) 90+ Speed guy, (3) 90+ blockers, (1) 90+ Perimeter guy and (2) 90+ passers and (3) 70+ ball handlers.  The only player they had on any of these levels was (1) 70+ ball handler - that's it.  I had a young team overall and switched defenses, but again, they had 9 freshman so neither is an issue.

Now if I would have lost in the last minute of that game I would have been ******, yeah - but not to the point of complaining to CS.  Follow that with another home loss to another inferior SIM team by 30 points (better than the other team but still not a great team) and you really start to lose faith in this game.  Especially considering I didn't have my team set to "give more time to backups when losing and the game is out of reach" not to mention all the the problems other coaches seem to be having.

you have to keep in mind, there are a couple of systems working here -

1. the meeting expectations/boosters complaining/jeopardy system - you move from one to the other in steps - I dont think one ever moves two steps.  You can only be fired from jeopardy.  It is possible to maintain status or move up or down

2. movement between those steps seems to take different results for different schools - depending I think on current prestige but I am not sure (I think it is measured vs where you are currently and not vs baseline prestige)

3. firing only happens when you are in jeopardy - one can for sure avoid firing with an uptick to boosters complaining - and one can avoid firing by doing well enough to stay in jeopardy - that circles back to prestige (I think) ...how much it takes to sustain jeopardy I think depends on prestige, but I am pretty sure that for any school getting to the PIT will sustain jeopardy - I think that for some schools/prestige levels a good season with no postseason berth will sustain jeopardy

it is NOT an overall performance review - its the steps between status levels and then performance relative to prestige - check out the broader firings thread

It seems that the level of firings has greatly diminished as HD has been losing subscribers. In Wooden the only firing last season was a coach that had not recruited at all and abandoned the team.

Posted by jetsons on 8/24/2010 5:21:00 AM (view original):
It seems that the level of firings has greatly diminished as HD has been losing subscribers. In Wooden the only firing last season was a coach that had not recruited at all and abandoned the team.

I don't know how %filled affects firings in their programming, but logically if a world is less filled it would make sense that there are less qualified coaches to take jobs if someone is fired, so a school would wait longer to fire a coach.

Whereas if a would is 100% filled, there would be much more competition to fill any new job openings.

Again, not sure what they actually do, but that makes sense to me.