OTAT League is expanding-full-waitlist!! Topic

The Old Timers All Timers League is expanding ! This innovative league is expanding from 12 teams to 16. This league started in 1901 and progresses one year at a time. Every season selected all time all stars are added to the available player lists. for example, in 1901 all stars whose 1st WIS season was in  1921, 1931, 1941 etc. were added to the player pool, for our 2nd (1902) season players whose 1st WIS season was 1922, 1932, 1942 etc. were added to the player pool.

In 1903 the player pool was so large that a number of all time stars as well as some other good players were not drafted. Not including cuts which may be made for 1904, we will have 279 players available for the 1904 season, including 139 rookies. An additional 134 rookies will be available in 1905. This is far more players than we will need for the 12 existing teams. 

Included in the 1904 pool will be:
C   Bob Boone,Jim Sundberg
1B Bill Terry, Hal Trosky
2B Augie Galan, Freddie Lindstrom
3B George Brett, Dick Allen, George Kell
SS Robin Yount, Ernie Banks, Tony Fernandez, Bert Campaneris
OF Al Simmons, Hank Aaron, Jim Rice, Kiki Cuyler, Hack Wilson
P   Ed Walsh, Red Ames, Frank Smith, Hooks Wiltse, Howie Camnitz
      Roger Clemons, Ted Lyons, Dwight Gooden, Tommy John, Luis Tiant.
 
In order to attract new owners we are offering the following proposal. There will be a 3 round expansion draft among the 4 new franchises only. This draft will be serpentine among the 4 franchises, i.e.   1-4, 4-1, and 1-4 with order determined by a random drawing using random.org. The remaining draft for 1904 would feature the 4 new franchises having the 1st four picks each round as well, still following the serpentine pattern among themselves. For 1904 only there would be no random lottery among the four worst teams in the 1903 season for top draft pick. Instead, all existing teams will pick 5-16 in inverse order of their regular season record except that the World Series winner will draft 16th and the World Series loser will draft 15th. Essentially this means that the new franchises will get the first 16 draft picks, since they will have 3 rounds by themselves and draft the first 4 picks in round 4.  As stated above, the 4 expansion teams will continue to draft 1st in each remaining round of the draft. Therefore, each expansion franchise will get at least 4 of the players mentioned in the 1904 pool above (or another of the good players available if they choose).

Assuming that the existing franchises draft 5-6 players each, there will be well over 200 players total available for the 4  expansion franchises. Each new franchise owner will be able to draft at least 4 of the players shown above as available in the 1904 pool (or another of the many good players available if you choose).

In addition, the 1905 pool will include the following rookies:

C   Mickey Cochrane, Gary Carter
1B Lou Gehrig, Keith Hernandez, Andres Galarraga, Tony Perez
2B Joe Morgan, Red Schoendienst, Willie Randolph
3B Ken Boyer, Harmon Killebrew
SS Rico Petrocelli
OF Ty Cobb, Roberto Clemente, Fred Lynn
P    Lefty Grove, Steve Carlton, Phil Niekro, Jim Bunning
       Ed Reulbach, Jim Palmer, Red Ruffing, Catfish Hunter

The expansion franchises would be guaranteed at least one and probably 2 of the above outstanding players, and there will be many more good players available to them for their 2nd season in the league.

Full league rules are shown in the following post. Note that the draft provisions in the rules are superceded for this expansion year by the draft rules stated above.

If interested in this opportunity for joining an innovative and exciting league, please sign up below. I will immediately give you access to our private forum, where I will post available player lists in about a week and we will begin to prepare for the draft for the 1904 season.

However, please do not sign up unless you anticipate being able to continue for an extended period of time and are willing to comply with the league rules as stated below.

New owners:
1. nin311ff- Cincinnati Reds
2. hacker7-New York Yankees
3. papalon-Philadelphia Athletics
4. modellscks2-Cleveland Indians



9/2/2010 9:21 AM (edited)
League Rules have been amended as follows:

I. Old Timers All Timers League (OTAT):

The OTAT is a progressive that started with the 1901 season and moves forward. We will progress one season at a time. Selected All Timers are added to the rookie class each season. The All Timers start with thier WIS rookie season as well.

League Philosophy: The philosophy of the league is summarized in three themes: have fun, each owner takes FULL responsibility for the success of his own team and the league as a whole, and No Whining. As the rules below will make clear, it is expected that owners will meet deadlines, take full responsibility for accuracy in their keeper lists and draft picks, and act with integrity at all times.


II. Rules: Commissioner reserves the right to settle all disputes and to rule on any situation not explicitly covered in these rules. As with all rules, the “No Whining” theme applies to commissioner’s rulings. Changes to the rules may be proposed (within reason) and will be implemented if approved by 2/3 of the owners.

III. Teams: There were 16 teams initially, for the 1901 season. The league contracted to 12 teams for the 1902 season, with two six team divisions (leagues). Currently the 2 league winners play in the World Series. If the league subsequently expands, the league format may change to accommodate the new number of teams. Divisions were aligned for 1902 based on historical league alignments to the extent possible, and that alignment will not change even if parks are later changed. However, the alignment may change due to expansion.

IV. WIS Rules: No DH, No WW, No AAA, No Salary Cap, No Live play. Injuries off.


V. Expansion: Expansion will require a 2/3 vote of existing owners(i.e. will require 8 votes to approve). Expansion will not be considered before the 1904 season. Full details on the expansion draft will be decided at a later time. If expansion is not approved in 1904, it will not be considered again until the 1906 season, and so forth.

VI. ANNUAL DRAFTS

KEEPERS
The commissioner will set up a keeper thread in the private forum after the 120 game mark of each season. Keeper lists are due by the 135-game mark of each season; any owner that fails to do so runs the risk of losing his team. Teams may keep up to 25 players each year, plus injured reserve. Each team is allowed an unlimited number of IR slots for players who are not WIS-eligible in any given year. Each owner is responsible for keeping track of his IR players and making sure each year’s keeper list is correct. Failure to list a player as a keeper means that player will be added to the available draft list, and you risk losing the player. At the 135-game mark, all keeper lists are final; any subsequent roster corrections must be posted directly in the league forum AND sitemailed to the commissioner.

DRAFT PICKS
Unlike some progressives, you do NOT need to drop players to account for traded draft picks. (Some leagues have a rule whereby a team that, say, trades its 2nd round pick can keep no more than 23 players, in order to “free up” the traded 2nd round pick; the OTAT does not use this rule.) Each team will be allotted as many draft picks as necessary to reach 25 players, based on the total roster size of each team at the start of the draft. If, because of trades occurring during the draft, a team finds that it needs additional picks, those picks will be slotted at the very end of the draft.

AVAILABLE PLAYERS
Each season the commissioner will post a list of available players for the upcoming draft. This list will be compiled from the list of all WIS-eligible players in the given season, subtracting out all players listed as keepers. The available player list will be published shortly after the 135-game mark. Since the draft will not start until after the conclusion of the regular season, owners will have at least 9 days in which to verify that the available player list is correct.

The available players list is considered final once the draft  starts – even if it contains mistakes. IT IS EACH OWNER’S RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT NONE OF HIS KEEPERS ARE LISTED AS AVAILABLE. In the event that a mistake is made by the commissioner, and a keeper is listed on the available players list, that player WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO BE DRAFTED. Obviously, owners should help each other police the list – if you see someone listed as an available who looks too good to be true, it is likely that a mistake has been made; please point it out. However, if someone slips through the cracks and is drafted, the new owner will get to keep the player and the original owner will lose him.

Similarly, if a player who should be eligible for the draft is not listed on the available list, he may not be drafted. Such a player will be added to the available list for the following season.

DRAFT ORDER.Tanking will be discouraged by the following measures: 1.There will be a random lottery among the 4 teams with the worst record to determine draft order for the first round only. 2. Despite the results of the lottery, no team that fails to win at least 40 games during the regular season will draft higher than 3rd in the first round. 3. All other teams will draft in inverse order of their regular season record except that the World Series winner will draft 12th and the World Series loser will draft 11th. All rounds subsequent to the first will be in inverse order of their regular season record except that the World Series winner will draft 12th and the World Series loser will draft 11th. Ties will be broken by total run differential (total runs scored less total runs allowed) with the team having the worst run differential drafting earlier."

TANKING. The OTAT is designed for managers who want to play WIS competitively and manage their teams to the best of their ability. If there is a strong indication that an owner is not putting his best team on the field and trying to win, it will be put to a league-wide vote. A 2/3 vote of the remaining owners will be sufficient to remove the owner from the league.

DRAFTING
The draft will proceed as a standard draft (1-12, 1-12, etc except for the modified lottery result in round 1) and with the exception that owners do not have to wait for missed picks to be made up once round 1 is completed. Once round 1 is complete, as long as the owner before you has picked, you may pick. Proxies will be handled exactly the same way as in the inaugural draft. Drafting will be in 30-minute time slots, Noon to 5:30 PM, Eastern Time, Monday through Saturday. The commissioner will update the available players list and draft board as often as possible, but each owner is ultimately responsible for keeping track of who has been picked. If you make a mistake and pick a player who has already been selected or is otherwise not eligible, your pick will be considered “missed” and can be skipped.

Proxies
If you will be away during your pick, you have two options:
(a) post a public proxy in the league forums OR
(b) send a proxy to the commissioner and the two owners immediately following you AND post in the league forum draft thread that you have done this.

Failure to comply with at least one of these two conditions will be considered a missed pick. As long as you do either of these two things, your proxy will be honored, even if the owner posting for you posts late. All owners are expected to honor proxies responsibly – we will absolutely stop the draft, and undo “incorrect” picks if a proxy is not honored.


Missed Picks
If an owner misses a pick in rounds 1, all subsequent picks in that round must occur during their scheduled time slot. In other words, no picking ahead of your time slot in the first round unless all owners before you have picked. If the pick is still missing by the start of the next draft day, the commissioner will make the draft pick for the team.

Starting in round 2, owners no longer have to wait for missed picks to be made up. As long as the owner before you has picked, you may make your selection.

An owner who has 2 or more missed picks at any one time without any communication to the commissioner or in the forum may be considered to have the league. The commissioner will make the missing picks and reserves the right to take over the team and/or give the team to a new owner immediately.



VII. PARKS
You must use the park that your franchise used each season, and you must change it when they did. No exceptions.


VIII. TRADES
Draft picks may be traded up to 2 seasons in advance. For example, in the 1901 season, teams may trade 1902 or 1903 draft picks. During the 1902 draft, teams may trade picks for the current draft, or for the 1903 or 1904 drafts, etc.

There will be no trade vetoes. All trades will be permitted, even ones that seem to be somewhat one-sided. On the off chance that there is a grossly imbalanced trade (eg a team trading stars for AAA players, with no other players or draft picks in compensation) one or more owners may flag the trade as questionable. If an owner flags a trade as questionable, it will be put to a league-wide vote. A vote of 2/3 of the non-trading owners will be sufficient to overturn the trade. Please only invoke this rule if you believe that the imbalance is flagrant. Trades in which one team gets more value than another are part of baseball.
 
8/22/2010 10:17 AM (edited)
I'd like to get back in.
8/22/2010 2:14 PM
OK you may have a spot. I will provide you with access to our private forum tomorrow (I have to leave shortly and will be out this evening). Tomorrow I will also post what teams/stadiums are available.
8/22/2010 3:22 PM
The following teams and associated stadiums are available:

Cincinnati Reds Palace of the Fans
Cleveland Indians League Park
New York Yankees Hilltop Park
Philadelphia Athletics Columbia Park

The league has permitted the use of other nicknames (e.g. New York Knights instead of New York Giants) but I would like to use the historical stadiums please.

nin311ff, you now have access to our private forum and you may select any of the above teams and stadiums. Please let me know your chosen team name and stadium.
8/23/2010 10:41 AM
Sign me up.  I'd like the Yankees if nin311ff did not take them; the A's if he did.
8/23/2010 1:38 PM
Reds
8/23/2010 1:47 PM
OK you are both signed up. Thanks for joining. hacker7, I have also given you access to the private forum.
8/23/2010 4:10 PM
I'll take Cleveland.
8/23/2010 5:16 PM
OK papalon thanks for joining. You also have access to our private forum.

Only the Philadelphia Athletics left
8/23/2010 5:35 PM (edited)
Sorry, I meant to take Phillie. Is that alright?
8/23/2010 6:41 PM
Posted by papalon on 8/23/2010 6:41:00 PM (view original):
Sorry, I meant to take Phillie. Is that alright?
OK you have the Athletics and the Cleveland Indians are left.
8/23/2010 10:43 PM (edited)
From:
modellscks2
To:
dspahlinger
Received:
8/24/2010 2:37:00 AM
Subject:
OTAT
Message:
hey i'll take the cleveland franchise
8/24/2010 7:37 AM
OK that means we are full. I will accept names for a wait-list in case anyone drops.

modellscks2, you have been added to the access to our private forum.

The private forum includes a list of all timers to be added to each of the 1st 10 seasons (the upcoming, 1904, is the 4th season).
8/24/2010 7:40 AM
OTAT League is expanding-full-waitlist!! Topic

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