Spring Training Topic

simonracing1
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How much do you play the ML regulars versus giving prospects ab's or IP? I have pretty much split the time evenly between the established players and prospects. If you were to hardly play the regulars at all would it effect the way they started the season? In other words are you sacrificing something at the ML level by trying to get experience for your prospects?
10/10/2010 5:36 PM
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I try to get 30-40 ABs for my regulars, 15-20 IP for my SPs and maybe 10 IP for my established bullpen. The rest I allocate to prospects and scrubs. Injury is always a fear and also I'm told the ABs and IP work towards their stamina--so you don't want your best to leave their A game in Spring Training.
10/11/2010 2:41 AM
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abotu 20-25 at bats for my starters and/or key reserves.  10-15 at bats for the AAAA and bench fodder. As many at bats as possible for any legit prospect that's still in the minors (I've gone up and above 50 for some top prospects)

8-10 innings for my starters, 4-6 for my relievers, and again as many innings pitched for any key prospects that are still in the minors.
10/11/2010 1:50 PM
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If I have a veteran that has particularly low health or durability, I may not play them at all.  And any veterans I play will play in the first spring training games so they can rest the remainder of spring training to get back any fatigue they experienced.  It's more important for prospects to get playing time than it is for veterans that aren't going to progress any more.  There's no "rust" for the veterans to shake off from the offseason.
10/11/2010 2:35 PM
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This is only my second season. My philosophy is that I will not play any of my top prospects. I do not want them to get hurt and they have as good of a chance as anyone to gain a spring training bonus even though they do not play in the ML spring training. All of my top prospects got a spring training bonus and a opening day bonus this year and did not have a single AB with my ML team. I played a few guys that are triple a lifers and my ML team.
10/11/2010 3:08 PM
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So you're saving them from ST games, so they can play in minor league games?  That makes no sense to me; I mean don't pitch a guy at 0 (0) in ST, but as long as they're normally rested, get them as much work as possible..  Even un-invited, young, non-invited prospects can have gains during ST as there's a minor league portion of ST that we don't see.  My theory, get them as many at bats, appearances w/ the better coaches that typically occupy your major league coaching staff.
10/11/2010 3:14 PM
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Posted by taz21 on 10/11/2010 1:50:00 PM (view original):
abotu 20-25 at bats for my starters and/or key reserves.  10-15 at bats for the AAAA and bench fodder. As many at bats as possible for any legit prospect that's still in the minors (I've gone up and above 50 for some top prospects)

8-10 innings for my starters, 4-6 for my relievers, and again as many innings pitched for any key prospects that are still in the minors.
taz...I've never gone as high as 50 AB's for prospects, I'm usually around 30. just curious if you've seent any inordinately high spring training bumps in ratings for those guys? anything like 4 points or more in a category?
10/11/2010 4:11 PM
soxfanjohn
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Posted by taz21 on 10/11/2010 3:14:00 PM (view original):
So you're saving them from ST games, so they can play in minor league games?  That makes no sense to me; I mean don't pitch a guy at 0 (0) in ST, but as long as they're normally rested, get them as much work as possible..  Even un-invited, young, non-invited prospects can have gains during ST as there's a minor league portion of ST that we don't see.  My theory, get them as many at bats, appearances w/ the better coaches that typically occupy your major league coaching staff.
No, I am saving them from having a injury that makes them worse or worthless to me. I have 6 guys that will be coming to the majors next year or the year after. I am depending on them to do just that so I do not want a injury set back before that happens.
10/11/2010 4:42 PM
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I don't think so, 3 is the highest rating bump that I can remember.  Here's a guy I took last year (#3 I think, I took over midseason for the previous owner, right before the draft) so I got him in the lineup pretty regularly during ST, knowing that he was going to start out in High A this year.

http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=3413188

He gained 3 in VsL, and 2 in the other batting skills that have/had significan room for improvement (eye was already an 81 and went up 1 after ST)
10/11/2010 4:46 PM
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Posted by soxfanjohn on 10/11/2010 4:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by taz21 on 10/11/2010 3:14:00 PM (view original):
So you're saving them from ST games, so they can play in minor league games?  That makes no sense to me; I mean don't pitch a guy at 0 (0) in ST, but as long as they're normally rested, get them as much work as possible..  Even un-invited, young, non-invited prospects can have gains during ST as there's a minor league portion of ST that we don't see.  My theory, get them as many at bats, appearances w/ the better coaches that typically occupy your major league coaching staff.
No, I am saving them from having a injury that makes them worse or worthless to me. I have 6 guys that will be coming to the majors next year or the year after. I am depending on them to do just that so I do not want a injury set back before that happens.
I figure they stand as much of a chance of injury in ST as they do during the regular season.  I guess I understand if you plan to bring a prospect up at 20 minor league days, but if they're going to spend the year in the minors, I'm going to get them as much time in ST as I can work in w/o wearing them out.  In most situations that about 35 at bats, but as I posted above, I'll get up near 50 if possible.
10/11/2010 4:48 PM
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My season is going to begin tomorrow in the player development report from last season ending to start of new season the points difference on the 6 guys are 8,6,5,4,3 and 1.
10/11/2010 5:06 PM
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I never give much playing time to my regular ML guys in ST. I've seen too many guys get hurt to take the chance. I allocate almost all playing time to MiL guys. I'll play anyone that is a possiblity for the ML roster as much as possible. That's just for guys who are on the fence. Otherwise, I'm just trying to avoid injury.
10/11/2010 7:29 PM
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2 Starts for starters and 28 AB's for position players.
10/12/2010 10:52 AM
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Play your top prospects a lot.  They can rest during the season.    Give your ML players 10-20 AB.   I just go by appearances for pitchers.  I want everyone to get at least 3.  That will only equate to 10 IP for SP(40-45 PC) and 3-4 IP for relievers.  Don't play your BL players the last 3-4 games.   A 10 day injury on ST1 means nothing.   A 10 day injury on ST18 means he'll miss about 8 games.    Speaking of injuries, I'd rather lose a guy on ST1 than RS1.   At least I have time to react prior to the start of the RS.

10/12/2010 10:58 AM
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I agree with MikeT. I play my prospects as much as possible during ST. I have had great results since I started doing this. When I first started and knew nothing I thought that my prospects would improve even without playing time but after doing things this way I quickly realized that not playing prospects because I was afraid they would get hurt is absolutely retarded. Play them often, get them ratings improvements and keep your regulars fresh for the upcoming season. This seems to be pretty much common sense but it looks like some inexperienced people don't agree with this theory.
10/12/2010 11:38 PM
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