Posted by girt25 on 11/5/2010 12:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by furry_nipps on 11/4/2010 10:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 11/1/2010 2:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by furry_nipps on 11/1/2010 8:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tkimble on 11/1/2010 12:23:00 AM (view original):
Hmmmm pump in your sitemail you said 3 HVs and 1 CV, but in that history it looks like 2 HVs and 2 CVs.  So let's do some math...
Working with these general assumptions: 1 CV=2.5 HV  Start=2 HV  Every 5 min increment= 1/2 HV, SV=1/10 HV, and taking a VERY conservative multiplier from A+ to B+ we'll make it 1.5.  I won't take into consideration the calls and such because I feel the have miniscule amount of value and an inordinate of calls/letters were not placed.

Pump's efforts in terms of HVs:
2 HVs=2
12 SVs=1.2
2 CVs=5
Start=2
15 min=1.5

Total:11.7

My efforts in terms of HVs:
6 HVs=9
1 SV=.15
1 CV=3.75
Start= 3
25 Min=2.5

Total: 18.4

So either some of those assumptions are WAYYYY off (I don't believe they are), the 11 calls+10 coach calls+8 letters account for more than 7 HVs, or my A- reputation has a ridiculously huge effect.  Anyway, I am still trying to figure it out.  A little bitter because I lost the guy (not a program changer and I only spent about a little more than 3k on the guy, so I'm not devasted), but more just puzzled.  I sent in a ticket, so we'll see what they say.  

Way off.. Both evals and calls have a lot of value and you are not giving them enough. Also, in div III/Div II prestige doesn't mean squat. His calls/letter/coach calls amount to about an extra CV. His 6 extra evals is worth bout 1.5 or 2 cv. That gives him pretty much 5 cv.

You think half a dozen calls and half a dozen letters are worth a campus visit? No way.

Yeah, they are my main tool for local recruiting. Rather then paying over 1,000 for a visit I just drop a couple hundred worth of calls/letter/coach calls and it works just as good at a way lower price. Back when you could just spam calls and such it was such a great tool. I get my worth out of them still, but I can't just spam them and have a huge edge in a battle of any coach 400+ miles away anymore.

I'm not suggesting that they can't be used as an effective tool or that they don't have any value. I'm saying that your thought that half a dozen calls + half a dozen letters equals a campus visit just isn't correct. That effort may equal a scouting trip, but it's very far from equaling a campus visit

Almost 30 calls is worth way more then an eval. A eval you won't get considered, calls you would. If you want to argue its not worth a CV, its at least 2 home visits, multiple sv, a promise or any other tool that gets you considered.

Furry, now you're talking about 30 calls; we're talking about your example of half a dozen calls and half a dozen letters. 30 calls may be worth more than an eval, sure. But your example of 6 calls/6 letters being worth as much as a campus visit is what I took issue with, and it's still just not true by a longshot.

Furry, as long as we're putting it all out on the table, I don't think coach calls have any recruiting value (other than information).  Back in the day, that is the one spot I used to think I had an advantage over you, so I never mentioned it.  

When experimenting, I got the exact same response doing calls/letters/coach calls every cycle as doing just calls/letters (no coach).

If they have any value at all, it's a tiny fraction of even a phone call.