Signing big money FA's and budgets Topic

So, I think I understand what happened, but I wanted to make sure I understood the HBD rules and see if there is anything I can do in the future should this happen again.

My team is a rebuilding project and has young players, so I have my budget set to high ammounts for advance scouting, HS and college scouting and prospects.  Also since few of my players are on big contracts (beyond the min, that is), my player budget is only $68 mil.

This offseason I had about 30 mil free in my player budget so I tried to sign a huge free agent player -- a shortstop who walked out on his old team.  I got into a bidding war with another team and maxed out what I could offer -- $20 mil each year for five years, player option on the last year, no trade clause, and a bonus.  The game would only let me give a bonus payment of about 3.4 mil.  It still wasn't enough to get the top offer with him.

When the player finally signed with the other team, I checked and found out that had made the same offer -- EXCEPT for the bonus payment.  That team was able to give him about 8 mil in bonus money to him, thus clincing the deal.  When I had tried to increase my bonud offer, the game wouldn't let me go any higher cause it would 'violate future payroll'.

Best I can figure out, this other team was able to offer more bonus money due to their higher player payroll budget -- about 100 mil -- even though they had more money wrapped up in contracts then I did.

Am I understanding what happened here correct?  I feel I should have been able to increase my bonus offer since it was coming out of this years budget and I had the money available.  It's really annoying.  Is there anything I can do about this situation in the future should a similar situation come up?
12/15/2010 12:15 PM (edited)
The only reason you wouldn't have been able to increase your bonus is because you were up against this year's player payroll.  Remember that offers to other players count against that as well.
12/15/2010 12:00 PM
I wasn't making any other offers, though.  This was the ONE FA that I was targeting -- didn't see a need to sign a  bunch of FA's when I'm building the team up through the draft and IFA's.  But despite having money left over in the player budget, the game won't let me increase my bonus ammount cause it would 'violate future payroll'.
12/15/2010 12:13 PM
There's your answer.  It wasn't the bonus that was giving you the problem, because the bonus only comes out of the budget for the first season of the contract (which would be current season in this case).

You were attempting to offer more money for future seasons than your budget allowed.  Future season budgets are scaled back based on the current season's budget.  From the help page:

The amount that you may allocate to future seasons is reduced by 80%, 70%, 50% and 50% in order to prevent trashing a franchise for the future. You may not allocate more than this payroll budget for any season.
12/15/2010 12:47 PM
But it WAS the bonus that was causing the issue, tecwrg.  The game had no problem letting me offer him 20 mil a year for five seasons with no bonus.  I had the money for future seasons.  It was fine offering me 3.4 mil in bonus money.  Wouldn't let me do anymore.  I know the bonus money counts toward payroll for this year, but I had more money that I could have offered.  It just seems VERY strange that the game wouldn't let me offer more bonus money that would only come out of THIS year when it didn't change anything for FUTURE years.  That's what annoying as all heck to me.  And wondering what I can do in the future if this comes up again.
12/15/2010 12:53 PM
Not to be a jerk but your scenario doesn't work.   You had to be doing something that either you weren't aware of or aren't telling us.   If not, you had a bug and should have contacted WifS at that time.    No one here will be able to help you understand what happened because, under the circumstances you outline, it wouldn't happen.
12/15/2010 1:00 PM
Which world are you talking about?  I only see you in one active world (Mathewson), and that's not in the preseason.
12/15/2010 1:18 PM
It was in Mathewson.  This happened in our last offseason.  I just figured I'd post here asking for advice cause we're about to rollover into our new season.

Sorry if I'm not doing a very good job in epxlaing this, I'll try again. Both our teams had no problem offering the 5 year 20 million a year contract.  This other team was able to offer more bonus money for the player then I could -- money coming out of this years budget.  I could only offer 3.4 mil in bonus pay to his 8 mil in bonus pay.  My player budget was 68 mil with about 30 mil free for this year.  The other team had a player budget of 100 mil with about 40 mil free this year. 

It was explained to me (by someone else in the world) that the other team could offer more bonus money due to higher player buget.  You know how the game projects your player budgets forward in future seasons, on the 80, 70, and 50 percent models?  SInce the other team had a higher player budget, he had more money in future seasons, thus being able to offer more bonus money.

My question is, I don't understand why future seasons would effect how much money you could offer as a bonus for THIS season.  If I had 10 mil left unallocated on top of the 20 mil I was offering the player, I should have been able to offer up to that 10 mil, not been capped off at 3.4 due a possible projection of my player budget in future seasons. 
12/15/2010 1:28 PM
Like Mike said, what you're saying just doesn't add up.  Either you're missing/omitting something in your description of the problem, or there was a bug.  Because what you're saying happened to you isn't the way things are supposed to work, and if this was a bug then others would most likely have tripped over it as well.
12/15/2010 1:49 PM
Well, I can post links to my team and the budget settings, but I can't do it at the moment cause we're in rollover.  But I'm explaining exactly how it happened.  Bottom line is, this other team could offer more bonus money then I could despite having 10 mil free to offer.  Since the error message had to do with future seasons, and as someone else in the world explained to me, I thought it made sence at the time.  Just now thinking about it more.  This happened over like a 24 hour period also so no clue if WIS could have even responded to a bug message in time.  If it happens again, I'll report the issue.
12/15/2010 2:06 PM
It won't matter.  Assuming you had 30/20/20/20/20 available in each of the next 5 seasons(30m in the current), what you describe wouldn't happen if that was your only FA offer.  It wouldn't. 
12/15/2010 3:55 PM
Were you offering any minor league contracts?  W/ the recent change, then rescinding of minor league free agents, did you have a bunch of minor league free agent offers out there?  Do your original calculations include your minor league buget, or is that just your major league payroll?  I've always figured it takes about 5-6 mil in payroll to fully fill my minor league system.  That figure may be a tad high, but I typically plan for 6 mil so I'm not scrambling for money.  If you say you were right around or just a shade under 30 mil available, but could only offer 3.4 mil, the difference would about equal what you need to pay the minors.

Other than that, I've got nothing.
12/15/2010 4:47 PM
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