Posted by grantduck on 12/29/2010 8:52:00 PM (view original):
Is there a guide someone can point me to?

I've spent 15k+ on a local recruit against a SIM(over 25 home visits and 5 CVs) and while he keeps saying he's interested, but I can't get him to consider me over the SIM.

I know SIMS don't have a distance penalty in recruiting, but I feel this is a bit ridiculous.  The SIM school has a half a grade higher than me in prestige.

Guess unless they're within 100 miles it's a total waste of money unless you have a prestige edge.

Spent 30k(out of my 80k budget)  to get him to consider even,  and still heavily leaning to the sim. 

This got me 30+HV and around 15 CV's. 

Just for others who want a reference. 

Oh, and without the no distance penalty, the SIM would have to spend about 80k to match distance wise, lol. 

Posted by grantduck on 12/31/2010 3:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 12/29/2010 8:52:00 PM (view original):
Is there a guide someone can point me to?

I've spent 15k+ on a local recruit against a SIM(over 25 home visits and 5 CVs) and while he keeps saying he's interested, but I can't get him to consider me over the SIM.

I know SIMS don't have a distance penalty in recruiting, but I feel this is a bit ridiculous.  The SIM school has a half a grade higher than me in prestige.

Guess unless they're within 100 miles it's a total waste of money unless you have a prestige edge.

Spent 30k(out of my 80k budget)  to get him to consider even,  and still heavily leaning to the sim. 

This got me 30+HV and around 15 CV's. 

Just for others who want a reference. 

"Guess unless they're within 100 miles it's a total waste of money unless you have a prestige edge."

No, not at all. You just happened upon a recruit who was the top priority for that school, and so it became difficult. Keep in mind, it's pretty common to spend way more than $30K to win a battle.

grant, the sim's C+ to your C- means that the sim effectively may have spent more like 40k to 50k or even 60k (depending on whose formula for prestige you believe and / or where in the range of C's both your schools fell), so the point you would get considered would be factored by that too.  One thing, if it took 30k to get considered, which I think I am reading, it would have taken 60k to win - more or less, I say that as new money is worth less than old money as the clock clicks on the recruiting cycles.

Sim recruiting is somewhat easy in that you must read the FSS's, then you can sort of guess what 200 something miles was spent, then finally you can walk your way into getting considered, then double it to win.  If at any point along the way you decide the price tag is too high, you can walk b4 you get too invested.  Prestige plays a huge role in what sim you can or cannot beat, as does your own distance from the recruit in question & the level of interest from the sim.

But, overall, in some ways, I have to agree, in an even or behind situation prestige wise that the sim is heavily interested, you may be better off to spend you money elsewhere, or it is an advanced option at best, as you are going to have to commit a substantial portion of your funds to the task.

Grant, one more bad thing about sim recruiting battles, near any A+ school looking to fill out their scholies, can figure the math out near to the dollar (not the penny mind you), just as the sims spending looking like 50 or 60k to your C- team, it probably looks like 8-16K to that A+ school, leaving you very vulnerable.

Posted by oldresorter on 12/31/2010 11:31:00 AM (view original):
Grant, one more bad thing about sim recruiting battles, near any A+ school looking to fill out their scholies, can figure the math out near to the dollar (not the penny mind you), just as the sims spending looking like 50 or 60k to your C- team, it probably looks like 8-16K to that A+ school, leaving you very vulnerable.

This +1

I'm not totally agreed with some (Dan), that sims are as lame as they once were.
I have seen the non distance penalty be much stronger than it should be in several situations lately as the code for what sims do in recruiting seems to have taken a turn for the bizarre.

Teams taking 6-8 walkons... then superclassing after just trashing a program would have gotten humans booted in the past....unless your ID starts with bacon...er I mean pork...but, sim recruiting is not set in the same stone it use to be... it is all over the place.

Am I missing something?

To get a fairly good idea what the SIM spent, figure out how much money he would have (open scholarships + tourney $), and divide it by (# of scholarships - 2).  This'll get you in the ballpark.  Figure he's spending $420 per HV and calculate how much effort he's put in.  Look at prestige difference and how late you are in recruiting (whatever your formula for 2/3s of a letter grade and whatever considering credit the SIM already has) and figure what you need to beat that.  Add a little cushion in case the guy is the SIM's top recruit.  There's no mystery here, it's not "bizarre," and it's not "all over the place." 

And it's a million times easier than beating a human, since humans can keep making decisions.  The SIM can't.  Figure out his number, then if it's worth it to you, beat it.

Posted by oldresorter on 12/31/2010 11:27:00 AM (view original):
grant, the sim's C+ to your C- means that the sim effectively may have spent more like 40k to 50k or even 60k (depending on whose formula for prestige you believe and / or where in the range of C's both your schools fell), so the point you would get considered would be factored by that too.  One thing, if it took 30k to get considered, which I think I am reading, it would have taken 60k to win - more or less, I say that as new money is worth less than old money as the clock clicks on the recruiting cycles.

Sim recruiting is somewhat easy in that you must read the FSS's, then you can sort of guess what 200 something miles was spent, then finally you can walk your way into getting considered, then double it to win.  If at any point along the way you decide the price tag is too high, you can walk b4 you get too invested.  Prestige plays a huge role in what sim you can or cannot beat, as does your own distance from the recruit in question & the level of interest from the sim.

But, overall, in some ways, I have to agree, in an even or behind situation prestige wise that the sim is heavily interested, you may be better off to spend you money elsewhere, or it is an advanced option at best, as you are going to have to commit a substantial portion of your funds to the task.

Thanks, OR.