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Posted by creilmann on 1/5/2011 12:56:00 PM (view original):
Gonzaga in Rupp won a NC in season 42 and has been A- or above since then.  They were quite capable of recruiting with the big boys before the changes took place. 

ok gotcha. I think what was said was that the conference tourney money is what can really hurt a smaller school coupled with the inability to find recruits that can (ever) compete with the big boys so that does sound like it might be an exception on one front and deep NT wins would net more cash, is the WCC good in Rupp ? or just Gonzaga?

1/5/2011 12:58 PM
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They had 3 or 4 good teams over that stretch.  

And I agree with the premise of this thread.  It's okay to only have a handful of impact freshmen out there, but there needs to be an increase in 0, 1 and 2 star, high potential guys that can become studs in their SR year.  
1/5/2011 1:27 PM
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Posted by creilmann on 1/5/2011 1:27:00 PM (view original):
They had 3 or 4 good teams over that stretch.  

And I agree with the premise of this thread.  It's okay to only have a handful of impact freshmen out there, but there needs to be an increase in 0, 1 and 2 star, high potential guys that can become studs in their SR year.  

xactly and those impact freshmans should have good iq's as fr.  But the others recruits should be able to get to that level over 4 years.  As it is now its all screwed up

1/5/2011 1:33 PM
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there are fewer really high pot recruits, theoretically this will create a trickle down or something...there are more of the middle recruits though, so the lower end teams have a better chance to score better players than before. It is harder for the elite teams to find the elite players, perhaps this will lead to periodic turnover of the elite teams...

I am sort of ok with bumping the IQ of the stud incoming freshmen who are likely to go EE - problem is what if they don't? then you get 2.5 years of an elite player with a high IQ?
1/5/2011 1:47 PM
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Speaking of Rupp...think I'll jump back in.
1/5/2011 4:12 PM
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Posted by creilmann on 1/5/2011 12:56:00 PM (view original):
Gonzaga in Rupp won a NC in season 42 and has been A- or above since then.  They were quite capable of recruiting with the big boys before the changes took place. 
It's much harder to recruit with the big boys now that it was before due to the fact that there are simply far few high-level recruits. Between that, significantly less conference cash and a baseline prestige in the B range, Gonzaga is not on a level playing field with most of the BCS teams.

A really good coach can still be successful at Gonzaga, or pretty much any other program. But the point is that achieving this kind of success is much harder than it was before. Not impossible, but much harder.
1/5/2011 5:10 PM
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dalt do you agree that it would help rectifcy the situation if we had an increase of potential for some 4 and 3 stars? I think something as a simple increase in those would help, those are the kids a midmajor is more likely to be getting anyway.

Does the beta world still do anything?
1/5/2011 7:38 PM
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Yes, no question it would help if there were fewer lower potentials and more high potentials among the non-elite DI recruits.
1/5/2011 10:11 PM
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North Texas won it all in Tark last season, too.
1/5/2011 11:36 PM
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WCC in Rupp used to be ok - one of the top mid-majors, but coach attrition has left it with only 2 good teams.  Gonzaga and Loyola Marymount.  I believe you can still be successful at a small D1 school and sustain it.  EE's can hurt you, but I think something has been tweaked there or something.  We had nobody in the SEC go early last year and we had 4 schools in the S16.  Not one person leaving early in a conference that is tradiationally 1 or 2 in the Rupp?  If you change EE logic, the small schools have better chance of sustaining excellence, as they can build teams for the long term.
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