Posted by alblack56 on 1/10/2011 5:44:00 AM (view original):
I nominate dacj501 as the next great star.   At DII, he won Rupp with a 35-0 record (only one senior). He was RU (32-3) in Knight.

Well, he cherrypicked up not once twice in Rupp DII to get that team, so while it's a nice accomplishment, I think that takes away a lot of the luster. Probably sounds jerkier than I mean it to be, but a multiple cherrypick is a multiple cherrypick.

Posted by tkimble on 1/9/2011 7:50:00 PM (view original):
Wanted to bump this thread and ask another best coach question...

In my mind, there is the Mount Rushmore of HD coaches: OR, billy_g, Rails, and LM.  Who is the next great one?  Who is the next coach who is going to freakishly dominant and add himself to the greatest of all-time discussion?  Or is there just too much parity now for a new greatest coach to emerge?  Can girt/daalter be mentioned in this discussion?

I think given daalt/girt's recent success (won 3 NTs in 5 seasons at S. NH, 3 in 6 seasons at Concordia, and 1 at UNC) he definitely needs to go into that elite line w/ OR, billy, rails and LM.  Beyond that I think there is a large group of very good coaches, but I think those 5 are the ones I've noticed who have separated themselves from the pack.

Posted by daveymac on 3/1/2010 1:38:00 AM (view original):
coaches by world with 10 nba picks and .700 win pct, active and retired

naismith	wooden	rupp	smith	iba	allen	Crum	tark	knight	phelan
bkdries	playmaker	jakemarley	goose goslin	lostmyth2	cal_bears	kelby03	oldresorter	lostmyth2	lostmyth2
daveymac	oldresorter	gordonbops	jsreilly	pottle	viperhoops	lwbraun	grecianfox	tbrown24	tannermcc
nellie	bluespruce	ttnorm	marmup	combalt	kyle_lee7	taz21	oldave	rossett2	jskenner
oldresorter		combalt	petec	lwbraun	tdiddy3	leustachy	sacfflgod	ledfoot	brocktune310
combalt		oldman_sons	oldresorter	porkpower	marmup	rds_lsu	porkpower	srunstro	pakeli
lostmyth		delynn10	jimmybosox	oldresorter	girt25	oldman	daveymac	jbohrman	daveymac
airjare			jleo	jdberry40	airjare	jason5	bdub13	azamat	glen87
			mullycj	kckgt72		bluespruce	jjmurphy1127	weirdrash
				bejeebers		urdanick	acn24	tannermcc
						steelman97		oldresorter

How come I don't make your Phelan list? Or are you looking for .700 win pct across all worlds combined? And what about grecianfox, thorknight, and robs_wife? It looks like they qualify in Phelan as well.

Posted by fmschwab on 1/10/2011 10:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by alblack56 on 1/10/2011 5:44:00 AM (view original):
I nominate dacj501 as the next great star.   At DII, he won Rupp with a 35-0 record (only one senior). He was RU (32-3) in Knight.

Well, he cherrypicked up not once twice in Rupp DII to get that team, so while it's a nice accomplishment, I think that takes away a lot of the luster. Probably sounds jerkier than I mean it to be, but a multiple cherrypick is a multiple cherrypick.

First, thanks Al, that means a lot coming from you. I don't think I deserve to be in this discussion anytime soon, but I would like to take the opportunity to ask fmschwab to provide some more information on his claims?  What does cherrypicked up twice mean exactly?  I'd like to quickly recap my Rupp coaching career. I joined Rupp to take part in the Rupp Mega-Bowl D II festivities. After my D III season, I moved up to an Elizabeth City State squad that was 1-26 the season before. I improved that team every season for 3 seasons, before growing tired of consistently getting my *** kicked in the Central conference, which, at the time, was one of the toughest D II conferences in any world. I decided to give coaching a Hawaii team a try, since I'd heard about the unique challenges, and it sounded like fun. The BYU, Hawaii team I took over was 11-17 the season before I arrived, with a C+ prestige. I recruited something like 7 players that season, and totally rebuilt the roster with my kids by season 2.  After 3 seasons of those aforementioned unique challenges (improving every season), I got tired of Hawaii, and frankly the CC was dull and I missed my buds in the Central. Shaw opened up, and I took the job.  This championship at Shaw was won with only 2 players left over from the previous regime. 2 important players, and there is certainly no guarantee that we'd have done it without them, but I stand behind my season and my win.

FWIW, fmschwab doesn't mention Knight, where Valdosta State almost won it with 100% my guys (I've been there for 9 seasons except the 1 season in the middle I mis-guidedly took a shot at a  D I gig. I missed my squad and returned after 1 season).

I know OP pre-softened his comments so I am not posting with malice.

Again, thanks Al, Shaw's 10 returning players look forward to our match-up with Bowie again this season :)

Posted by professor17 on 1/10/2011 11:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by daveymac on 3/1/2010 1:38:00 AM (view original):
coaches by world with 10 nba picks and .700 win pct, active and retired

naismith	wooden	rupp	smith	iba	allen	Crum	tark	knight	phelan
bkdries	playmaker	jakemarley	goose goslin	lostmyth2	cal_bears	kelby03	oldresorter	lostmyth2	lostmyth2
daveymac	oldresorter	gordonbops	jsreilly	pottle	viperhoops	lwbraun	grecianfox	tbrown24	tannermcc
nellie	bluespruce	ttnorm	marmup	combalt	kyle_lee7	taz21	oldave	rossett2	jskenner
oldresorter		combalt	petec	lwbraun	tdiddy3	leustachy	sacfflgod	ledfoot	brocktune310
combalt		oldman_sons	oldresorter	porkpower	marmup	rds_lsu	porkpower	srunstro	pakeli
lostmyth		delynn10	jimmybosox	oldresorter	girt25	oldman	daveymac	jbohrman	daveymac
airjare			jleo	jdberry40	airjare	jason5	bdub13	azamat	glen87
			mullycj	kckgt72		bluespruce	jjmurphy1127	weirdrash
				bejeebers		urdanick	acn24	tannermcc
						steelman97		oldresorter

How come I don't make your Phelan list? Or are you looking for .700 win pct across all worlds combined? And what about grecianfox, thorknight, and robs_wife? It looks like they qualify in Phelan as well.

That list is about 9 months old - you may make it now, but didn't in last March.

Posted by acn24 on 1/10/2011 11:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by professor17 on 1/10/2011 11:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by daveymac on 3/1/2010 1:38:00 AM (view original):
coaches by world with 10 nba picks and .700 win pct, active and retired

naismith	wooden	rupp	smith	iba	allen	Crum	tark	knight	phelan
bkdries	playmaker	jakemarley	goose goslin	lostmyth2	cal_bears	kelby03	oldresorter	lostmyth2	lostmyth2
daveymac	oldresorter	gordonbops	jsreilly	pottle	viperhoops	lwbraun	grecianfox	tbrown24	tannermcc
nellie	bluespruce	ttnorm	marmup	combalt	kyle_lee7	taz21	oldave	rossett2	jskenner
oldresorter		combalt	petec	lwbraun	tdiddy3	leustachy	sacfflgod	ledfoot	brocktune310
combalt		oldman_sons	oldresorter	porkpower	marmup	rds_lsu	porkpower	srunstro	pakeli
lostmyth		delynn10	jimmybosox	oldresorter	girt25	oldman	daveymac	jbohrman	daveymac
airjare			jleo	jdberry40	airjare	jason5	bdub13	azamat	glen87
			mullycj	kckgt72		bluespruce	jjmurphy1127	weirdrash
				bejeebers		urdanick	acn24	tannermcc
						steelman97		oldresorter

How come I don't make your Phelan list? Or are you looking for .700 win pct across all worlds combined? And what about grecianfox, thorknight, and robs_wife? It looks like they qualify in Phelan as well.

That list is about 9 months old - you may make it now, but didn't in last March.

Silly me for not looking at the date! Thanks.

It's hard to believe that there are only a few mentions of Plumpy in this thread.  I haven't seen rarlinghaus in here either. 

Posted by dacj501 on 1/10/2011 10:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by fmschwab on 1/10/2011 10:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by alblack56 on 1/10/2011 5:44:00 AM (view original):
I nominate dacj501 as the next great star.   At DII, he won Rupp with a 35-0 record (only one senior). He was RU (32-3) in Knight.

Well, he cherrypicked up not once twice in Rupp DII to get that team, so while it's a nice accomplishment, I think that takes away a lot of the luster. Probably sounds jerkier than I mean it to be, but a multiple cherrypick is a multiple cherrypick.

First, thanks Al, that means a lot coming from you. I don't think I deserve to be in this discussion anytime soon, but I would like to take the opportunity to ask fmschwab to provide some more information on his claims?  What does cherrypicked up twice mean exactly?  I'd like to quickly recap my Rupp coaching career. I joined Rupp to take part in the Rupp Mega-Bowl D II festivities. After my D III season, I moved up to an Elizabeth City State squad that was 1-26 the season before. I improved that team every season for 3 seasons, before growing tired of consistently getting my *** kicked in the Central conference, which, at the time, was one of the toughest D II conferences in any world. I decided to give coaching a Hawaii team a try, since I'd heard about the unique challenges, and it sounded like fun. The BYU, Hawaii team I took over was 11-17 the season before I arrived, with a C+ prestige. I recruited something like 7 players that season, and totally rebuilt the roster with my kids by season 2.  After 3 seasons of those aforementioned unique challenges (improving every season), I got tired of Hawaii, and frankly the CC was dull and I missed my buds in the Central. Shaw opened up, and I took the job.  This championship at Shaw was won with only 2 players left over from the previous regime. 2 important players, and there is certainly no guarantee that we'd have done it without them, but I stand behind my season and my win.

FWIW, fmschwab doesn't mention Knight, where Valdosta State almost won it with 100% my guys (I've been there for 9 seasons except the 1 season in the middle I mis-guidedly took a shot at a  D I gig. I missed my squad and returned after 1 season).

I know OP pre-softened his comments so I am not posting with malice.

Again, thanks Al, Shaw's 10 returning players look forward to our match-up with Bowie again this season :)

I really don't want to get into a ******* match with you on this. I'm sure you are a very good coach. BYU, Hawaii had been good, they were coming off one down year. Your 2nd year there you had a total of four of your own recruits, and your third year you had four seniors recruited by the previous guy that were the core of your team. Then powerhouse Shaw opened up, and you took it. Again, I'm not saying that you don't have the ability to win with your own players, I'd sure you do and will continue to win. My only point is that what happened at Shaw, to me at least, is simply not a shining example to be tossed around with the top coaches.

Posted by fmschwab on 1/10/2011 2:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 1/10/2011 10:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by fmschwab on 1/10/2011 10:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by alblack56 on 1/10/2011 5:44:00 AM (view original):
I nominate dacj501 as the next great star.   At DII, he won Rupp with a 35-0 record (only one senior). He was RU (32-3) in Knight.

Well, he cherrypicked up not once twice in Rupp DII to get that team, so while it's a nice accomplishment, I think that takes away a lot of the luster. Probably sounds jerkier than I mean it to be, but a multiple cherrypick is a multiple cherrypick.

First, thanks Al, that means a lot coming from you. I don't think I deserve to be in this discussion anytime soon, but I would like to take the opportunity to ask fmschwab to provide some more information on his claims?  What does cherrypicked up twice mean exactly?  I'd like to quickly recap my Rupp coaching career. I joined Rupp to take part in the Rupp Mega-Bowl D II festivities. After my D III season, I moved up to an Elizabeth City State squad that was 1-26 the season before. I improved that team every season for 3 seasons, before growing tired of consistently getting my *** kicked in the Central conference, which, at the time, was one of the toughest D II conferences in any world. I decided to give coaching a Hawaii team a try, since I'd heard about the unique challenges, and it sounded like fun. The BYU, Hawaii team I took over was 11-17 the season before I arrived, with a C+ prestige. I recruited something like 7 players that season, and totally rebuilt the roster with my kids by season 2.  After 3 seasons of those aforementioned unique challenges (improving every season), I got tired of Hawaii, and frankly the CC was dull and I missed my buds in the Central. Shaw opened up, and I took the job.  This championship at Shaw was won with only 2 players left over from the previous regime. 2 important players, and there is certainly no guarantee that we'd have done it without them, but I stand behind my season and my win.

FWIW, fmschwab doesn't mention Knight, where Valdosta State almost won it with 100% my guys (I've been there for 9 seasons except the 1 season in the middle I mis-guidedly took a shot at a  D I gig. I missed my squad and returned after 1 season).

I know OP pre-softened his comments so I am not posting with malice.

Again, thanks Al, Shaw's 10 returning players look forward to our match-up with Bowie again this season :)

I really don't want to get into a ******* match with you on this. I'm sure you are a very good coach. BYU, Hawaii had been good, they were coming off one down year. Your 2nd year there you had a total of four of your own recruits, and your third year you had four seniors recruited by the previous guy that were the core of your team. Then powerhouse Shaw opened up, and you took it. Again, I'm not saying that you don't have the ability to win with your own players, I'd sure you do and will continue to win. My only point is that what happened at Shaw, to me at least, is simply not a shining example to be tossed around with the top coaches.

fair enough...I don't think its enough to be compared either frankly, but it was nice to be mentioned. Question - is there somewhere to look back at the makeup of former teams? I tried to find some before I posted, coz i couldn't remember exactly who I recruited when - and I couldn't find it...

ETA: found it. 3 of those guys did play roles season 45 at BYU. Shaw is a lot more my team than that though. 

ETA again: for the record - BYU Hawaii was decent under tatorsalad (3 straight 1st rd NT losses), not so good for the 2 seasons under the next coach (who preceded me) (14-14 103 RPI, 11-17 128), and while I had 4 of those seniors, 1 hardly played, 1 was a big part of my gameplan, and the other 2 started with little distro, not really the core of my team. I do see your point, and agree in general, but don't want the particulars to be inaccurate...

As for Shaw, they were good before I got there, and I kept them good...only 2 players were holdovers, only 1 started. NPOY was my kid.  Since we agree that my accomplishment is not quite legendary, lets leave it unless there are more details that I've left out that are relevant...in this case, we can agree to more or less agree...

didnt clone77 go on a run somewhere?

Posted by jetwildcat on 1/11/2011 9:25:00 AM (view original):
didnt clone77 go on a run somewhere?

yeah i think he has the #1 d1 10yr dynasty of all time with iowa state in world 1 according to the dynasty rankings. i personally put it at the 3rd best d1 run ever but in any case, it was damn impressive.

Posted by tkimble on 1/9/2011 7:50:00 PM (view original):
Wanted to bump this thread and ask another best coach question...

In my mind, there is the Mount Rushmore of HD coaches: OR, billy_g, Rails, and LM.  Who is the next great one?  Who is the next coach who is going to freakishly dominant and add himself to the greatest of all-time discussion?  Or is there just too much parity now for a new greatest coach to emerge?  Can girt/daalter be mentioned in this discussion?

Apparently Mt Rushmore doesn't including the founding fathers. And I'm not necessarily referring to myself.

Posted by acn24 on 1/10/2011 11:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by professor17 on 1/10/2011 11:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by daveymac on 3/1/2010 1:38:00 AM (view original):
coaches by world with 10 nba picks and .700 win pct, active and retired

naismith	wooden	rupp	smith	iba	allen	Crum	tark	knight	phelan
bkdries	playmaker	jakemarley	goose goslin	lostmyth2	cal_bears	kelby03	oldresorter	lostmyth2	lostmyth2
daveymac	oldresorter	gordonbops	jsreilly	pottle	viperhoops	lwbraun	grecianfox	tbrown24	tannermcc
nellie	bluespruce	ttnorm	marmup	combalt	kyle_lee7	taz21	oldave	rossett2	jskenner
oldresorter		combalt	petec	lwbraun	tdiddy3	leustachy	sacfflgod	ledfoot	brocktune310
combalt		oldman_sons	oldresorter	porkpower	marmup	rds_lsu	porkpower	srunstro	pakeli
lostmyth		delynn10	jimmybosox	oldresorter	girt25	oldman	daveymac	jbohrman	daveymac
airjare			jleo	jdberry40	airjare	jason5	bdub13	azamat	glen87
			mullycj	kckgt72		bluespruce	jjmurphy1127	weirdrash
				bejeebers		urdanick	acn24	tannermcc
						steelman97		oldresorter

How come I don't make your Phelan list? Or are you looking for .700 win pct across all worlds combined? And what about grecianfox, thorknight, and robs_wife? It looks like they qualify in Phelan as well.

That list is about 9 months old - you may make it now, but didn't in last March.

I'd be on Phelan if i didn't turn into a ghost for a few seasons  still up there on NBA Picks in the world surprisingly.