it seems when I up the distro of a C in triangle I see, as expected, more shot attempts, more FT attempts and more turnovers.  So if the question was which offense can I increase the distro for my lowpost guy and see the most point production, I'd probably go with triangle.

in motion I generally don't see the same rate of increase in shots but rather an increase in assists.

Posted by oldresorter on 1/12/2011 12:18:00 PM (view original):
does anyone know when the game was originally written?  I am guessing around the year 2000?

anyhow, motion in the 'old' days was much more about pass and screen away, with lots of low post exchanges, a 3 out 2 in set - I am talking motion for 10-12 years ago now - these days motion is much more a 4-1 set, with the words dribble drive attached to it.

I think of triangle in the year 2000 as the chicago bulls offense,  as an offense that utilizing ball pick and rolls from the wings (Jordan, pippen, kukoc), and lots of high post play, not low post.

I think of flex as wings cutting from weak side to ball side, aided by a back pick, a little low post, but lots of ath / sp.

FB seems to need ath / sp / stam in this game billy, not sure I would recommend FB to a novice recruiting LP players in d3, matter of fact near the opposite.

My straw man recommendation for LP players in HD is motion?  I think?

I think offense has greatly evolved over the past years but I'd go back a bit further (maybe twenty years) to find the old-traditional sets.

Both the triangle and the motion offenses have been around for what seems like forever.  The triangle at least predates Tex Winter over 60 years ago and the basic modern motion is created to Hank Iba. 

The triangle has changed a bit in that there seems to be more of an emphasis on pass to the high post ala the Lakers and Pau Gasol.  But the basic spacing is still the same concepts used decades ago.

While the basic principles of the motion haven't really changed, pass the ball;  1) go to the hoop, 2) screen off ball  3) screen for the ballhandler  4) cut and replace to position,  there are a lot more 4-1 sets with the penetration dribble drive and kick out possibly being the desired results rather than the pick and roll or give and go of yesterday.  Probably much of that can be traced to the three point line and coaches learning how to utilize it.    Even when a team does play 2 posts, it's often not the traditional high post/low post but one player assuming more of a wide post off the blocks.
 

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/12/2011 10:48:00 PM (view original):
I thought OR was talking about how the offenses worked when the game first came out...  As in, how they worked in the game...  Nothing to do with RL offenses...

Posted by Iguana1 on 1/12/2011 6:45:00 PM (view original):

I think offense has greatly evolved over the past years but I'd go back a bit further (maybe twenty years) to find the old-traditional sets.

Both the triangle and the motion offenses have been around for what seems like forever.  The triangle at least predates Tex Winter over 60 years ago and the basic modern motion is created to Hank Iba. 

The triangle has changed a bit in that there seems to be more of an emphasis on pass to the high post ala the Lakers and Pau Gasol.  But the basic spacing is still the same concepts used decades ago.

While the basic principles of the motion haven't really changed, pass the ball;  1) go to the hoop, 2) screen off ball  3) screen for the ballhandler  4) cut and replace to position,  there are a lot more 4-1 sets with the penetration dribble drive and kick out possibly being the desired results rather than the pick and roll or give and go of yesterday.  Probably much of that can be traced to the three point line and coaches learning how to utilize it.    Even when a team does play 2 posts, it's often not the traditional high post/low post but one player assuming more of a wide post off the blocks.
 

Posted by oldresorter on 1/13/2011 7:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/12/2011 10:48:00 PM (view original):
I thought OR was talking about how the offenses worked when the game first came out...  As in, how they worked in the game...  Nothing to do with RL offenses...

yes and no, I was linking the real game of basketball in the late 90's  to the current HD game, since I would guess that is how tarek would have designed it.  I see no evidence that the game has changed with the times.  Also, I would guess, the initial conception / design had to occur quite some time prior to the formal release.

I\n HD still think flex is best for an outside game, motion best for inside, and triangle is the most balanced, but while doing this thread an idea hit me on this thread how to verify it, might do a little project to see if I can tell a difference.  Funny, some of my best strategy has come as result of trying to answer other coaches ?'s.

Anyhow, to my friend asking the question about trying to put together a big team full of LP, not one LP dominant player, but several, I think it is clear there is no real concensus on how to achieve that, which was my original answer to you.  Heck, maybe you can figure it out and email me the answer - good luck.