effect of 'rebounding' on scoring/defending Topic

say you have a 6'8 235 PF with 65 LP and 60 REB playing SF.  and the other team has a 6'2 190 SG with 1 REB, 1 BLK, 90 DEF, and great ATH/SPD also at SF.

now I know that height and weight doesn't add anything to the tale that attributes already tell...but does REB or BLK have an effect on, say, low post scoring/defense?  can a guy with 1 REB and 1 BLK defend a low post threat at the 3 position as a well as a good rebounder?  
1/13/2011 11:23 PM (edited)
If nothing else, think of it this way:  On defense,  if you have a good rebounder, he can prevent the other player from scoring by grabbing the defensive rebound and preventing the player from getting the ball back for another try. . . and the converse on offense:  You get your own misses back for a high percentage try so, yes, all other things being equal a good rebounder will perform better on offense/defense than a poor one.

As far as block. . yes, Block will effect defensive performance.

1/13/2011 11:35 PM
well i know that rebounding matters in basketball.  my questions are basically:
1.  does REB modify LP or DEF in the same way that ATH and SPD do?  
2.  does BLK do anything but create blocks? if so, what?
3.  if the answer to both these questions is no, does that mean that a PG with 90 ATH/SPD/DEF can guard a C with 90 LP?

1/13/2011 11:45 PM (edited)
Not all that well, because that 90 LP center will be grabbing all of his misses and taking second shots, third shots. . etcetera. . .

1/14/2011 12:05 AM
Posted by jwilli7122 on 1/13/2011 11:45:00 PM (view original):
well i know that rebounding matters in basketball.  my questions are basically:
1.  does REB modify LP or DEF in the same way that ATH and SPD do?  
2.  does BLK do anything but create blocks? if so, what?
3.  if the answer to both these questions is no, does that mean that a PG with 90 ATH/SPD/DEF can guard a C with 90 LP?

1) no
2) yes. it also affects shots just like a shot blocker would when he puts his hand way up there but doesnt quite get the block - he makes the other guy take a harder shot.
3) if the PG had blocking ability, he could guard a center just as well as another center. but that is not normally (if ever) the case, so that is the big difference. but you might find that ath/spd/def makes up for the lack of blocking to some extent. i am not sure reb matters at all in this respect, i am not sure the engine pays attention to who was guarding who when everyone goes up for a rebound. but its possible it does, i would think this effect would be a lot less significant than the lack of blk.
1/14/2011 12:26 AM
agree with bilyg - but alos keep in mind that the REB difference will for sure affect rebounding will which affect especially offensive rebounds and the favorable shot opportunities they produce - so REB will affect what appears to be the offensive and defensive results through the rest of the operation of the engine
1/14/2011 3:31 AM
Billyg - even if it doesn't per se matter on an individual matchup and mainly matters in the aggregate total of the two respective rebound rates, isn't the fact that you have a low rebounding PG at C going to drastically lower the average rebound rating of the lineup, and therefore the team's rebounding performance?  And then if it assigns the rebound afterwards(As I hear some speculate) based on individual rebound rate after the team that gets the rebound in the first place is assigned, its more likely to go to the center just because he has a higher rebound.and is more likely to get the 'random' distribution.  So the net defensive effect of having the guard there would be a decrease in defensive efficiency for the team due to rebounding?

Also, isn't the weight of a good rebound rate more important in the game system at PF/C?  In other words, a 75 REB center would contribute more total to team rebounding than a 75 SF?

I'm sorry if what I just posted seems like a ramble, I haven't had my coffee(Brewing) and I ramble with no coffee.

1/14/2011 7:14 AM
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