Ridiculous three point shooting percentages Topic

Posted by mniven on 1/20/2011 11:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kmasonbx1 on 1/20/2011 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Mniven I actually don't see what you're talking about. Looking at the overall 3pt% D of your teams none of your 6 teams gives up more than 36% from 3 and your Wesleyan team only gives up about 31%, despite playing zone.

I play zone on a couple of my teams and in general have very good success keeping 3pt shooting in check. By a matter of fact a few seasons back when I was at Bryant in Phelan I was top 3 in all of D2 in both FG% and 3pt% against playing zone.
kmason,

Wesleyan isn't a great example, as I just got there, there was no tough non-conf schedule set up and the team has played almost all SIMs.

The places where it has stuck out lately is when I deliberately game plan (not that common for me anymore) to stop a three-point shooting with a stretched 3-2 zone. These two games below come to mind, but it has happened pretty regularly:

http://whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=6568584

http://whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=6589282

maybe you missed it, but +/- scales with defensive ability now

if your defenders suck, it's not gonna change much for you
1/21/2011 12:54 AM
Posted by pinkeye on 1/21/2011 12:54:00 AM (view original):
Posted by mniven on 1/20/2011 11:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kmasonbx1 on 1/20/2011 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Mniven I actually don't see what you're talking about. Looking at the overall 3pt% D of your teams none of your 6 teams gives up more than 36% from 3 and your Wesleyan team only gives up about 31%, despite playing zone.

I play zone on a couple of my teams and in general have very good success keeping 3pt shooting in check. By a matter of fact a few seasons back when I was at Bryant in Phelan I was top 3 in all of D2 in both FG% and 3pt% against playing zone.
kmason,

Wesleyan isn't a great example, as I just got there, there was no tough non-conf schedule set up and the team has played almost all SIMs.

The places where it has stuck out lately is when I deliberately game plan (not that common for me anymore) to stop a three-point shooting with a stretched 3-2 zone. These two games below come to mind, but it has happened pretty regularly:

http://whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=6568584

http://whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=6589282

maybe you missed it, but +/- scales with defensive ability now

if your defenders suck, it's not gonna change much for you
Pinkeye, is your eye disease acting up?

My team has a 56 overall DEF rating, including a starter with a 100 DEF and 90 ATH and another with 80 DEF and 84 ATH, which isn't bad for a DII team running a zone.

Any other nuggets of wisdom you'd like to share?
1/25/2011 12:45 AM (edited)
I honestly think the 3 pt percentages need to stay where they are to maintain any semblance of balance in this game.  As several others have pointed out, scoring across the board is definitely up in the new engine.  Jonathan Stewart on my Rochester team is scoring over 18 PPG so far on 62% shooting against primarily -2 and -3 defenses.  Granted my strength of schedule is not the greatest, but neither is Stewart.  He's a solid D3 player, but not elite.  My other team is HPU in Tark.  My center there just won conference PoY in a conference with 10 human teams.  Granted it was a down year for the Great Northwest (7th in conference RPI), but still...  That guy with his 626 overall doesn't look like a D2 CPOY in a conference with 10 human coaches.  My point is that even pumping up distro to decent post players doesn't seem to damage their ability to score VERY effectively.  Sure, they aren't generating quite the points per possession that a 42% shooting SG has, but they are absorbing a lot more fouls and potentially generating other advantages for the team in that way.  If guards shot much more poorly these games would turn into virtual brawls and we could pretty much revert to the rules before they instituted the 3 point line.  I'm not old enough to argue whether the game was better then, but if we assume that we want the game to look something similar to what we see in college basketball today then we better not change one set of percentages without a commensurate adjustment to the other.
1/25/2011 3:22 AM
Posted by mniven on 1/25/2011 12:45:00 AM (view original):
Posted by pinkeye on 1/21/2011 12:54:00 AM (view original):
Posted by mniven on 1/20/2011 11:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kmasonbx1 on 1/20/2011 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Mniven I actually don't see what you're talking about. Looking at the overall 3pt% D of your teams none of your 6 teams gives up more than 36% from 3 and your Wesleyan team only gives up about 31%, despite playing zone.

I play zone on a couple of my teams and in general have very good success keeping 3pt shooting in check. By a matter of fact a few seasons back when I was at Bryant in Phelan I was top 3 in all of D2 in both FG% and 3pt% against playing zone.
kmason,

Wesleyan isn't a great example, as I just got there, there was no tough non-conf schedule set up and the team has played almost all SIMs.

The places where it has stuck out lately is when I deliberately game plan (not that common for me anymore) to stop a three-point shooting with a stretched 3-2 zone. These two games below come to mind, but it has happened pretty regularly:

http://whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=6568584

http://whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=6589282

maybe you missed it, but +/- scales with defensive ability now

if your defenders suck, it's not gonna change much for you
Pinkeye, is your eye disease acting up?

My team has a 56 overall DEF rating, including a starter with a 100 DEF and 90 ATH and another with 80 DEF and 84 ATH, which isn't bad for a DII team running a zone.

Any other nuggets of wisdom you'd like to share?
is your brain disease acting up?

100 defense, 36 speed
63 defense, 60 speed
46 defense, 75 speed

that's not good perimeter defense, and you're complaining a team with 96/94 perimeter shooters went 37% on you. what a shock.
1/25/2011 5:21 AM
I think zone defense is susceptible to the 3 under this engine. I have a zone team myself and when I face heavy 3 pt shooting teams, it always give me a headache. 
1/25/2011 9:58 AM
NCAA Averages:
3FG%: .345
Number of Attempts per game per team:  18.33
1/25/2011 2:44 PM
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