Posted by colonels19 on 2/16/2011 9:00:00 PM (view original):

Yeah, if you're recruiting the same 'cruits as sims....well...

Posted by ethan66 on 2/16/2011 7:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 2/16/2011 6:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 2/16/2011 6:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 2/16/2011 6:11:00 PM (view original):
Tired of having to spend 20-30lk battling sims that are 3000 miles away for recruits that are 10 miles away from me....when battling a human for the same recruit would often take less.

I have to be honest: The stuff that you ***** about (i.e. this and big men needing more speed) completely befuddles me.

Do you honestly think that sims being too good at recruiting is a problem in HD? Sims are terrible. I wish they could recruit better.

I wish SIMS were better at gameplanning and recruiting; I just think this particular advantage is stupid.  Having to put 20-30k into a recruit to take him away from a D prestige school 3000 miles away when he wants to stay "close to home" is just illogical.

As for the stuff with big men needing more speed and guards needing to rebound, if it befuddles you, I suggest watching real basketball once in awhile. 

The spd discrepancy is far too large in HD and guards never/almost never lead a game in rebounding, which happens with regularity in actual basketball.   Much of that is due to ratings issue, some it it is engine issue.

Guards in real-world ball will only lead their teams in rebounding if:  (1) The opposing team sucks and doesn't box out; (2) The opponent takes mostly 3-pointers, which will bounce long and into the hands of an alert guard; (3) the guard is one of those rare animals built like a tank.

It's not a normal situation, but an exception to the norm.

Posted by grantduck on 2/16/2011 11:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ethan66 on 2/16/2011 7:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 2/16/2011 6:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 2/16/2011 6:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 2/16/2011 6:11:00 PM (view original):
Tired of having to spend 20-30lk battling sims that are 3000 miles away for recruits that are 10 miles away from me....when battling a human for the same recruit would often take less.

I have to be honest: The stuff that you ***** about (i.e. this and big men needing more speed) completely befuddles me.

Do you honestly think that sims being too good at recruiting is a problem in HD? Sims are terrible. I wish they could recruit better.

I wish SIMS were better at gameplanning and recruiting; I just think this particular advantage is stupid.  Having to put 20-30k into a recruit to take him away from a D prestige school 3000 miles away when he wants to stay "close to home" is just illogical.

As for the stuff with big men needing more speed and guards needing to rebound, if it befuddles you, I suggest watching real basketball once in awhile. 

The spd discrepancy is far too large in HD and guards never/almost never lead a game in rebounding, which happens with regularity in actual basketball.   Much of that is due to ratings issue, some it it is engine issue.

Guards in real-world ball will only lead their teams in rebounding if:  (1) The opposing team sucks and doesn't box out; (2) The opponent takes mostly 3-pointers, which will bounce long and into the hands of an alert guard; (3) the guard is one of those rare animals built like a tank.

It's not a normal situation, but an exception to the norm.

There's multiple games every day where a guard leads the game in rebounding., look at some box scores from last weekend, you'll find several games where a guard led the game in rebounding. 

I'm not saying it should happen every day, or guards should be a team's leading rebounders, but it SHOULD happen on a once in awhile basis and it doesn't.

Having guards with 40-70RBD should be more regular.

Same with bigs with SPD f/ 30-60.  There are almost no players that are D-1 prospects who would be SPD 1-20. 

Posted by ethan66 on 2/16/2011 7:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 2/16/2011 6:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 2/16/2011 6:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 2/16/2011 6:11:00 PM (view original):
Tired of having to spend 20-30lk battling sims that are 3000 miles away for recruits that are 10 miles away from me....when battling a human for the same recruit would often take less.

I have to be honest: The stuff that you ***** about (i.e. this and big men needing more speed) completely befuddles me.

Do you honestly think that sims being too good at recruiting is a problem in HD? Sims are terrible. I wish they could recruit better.

I wish SIMS were better at gameplanning and recruiting; I just think this particular advantage is stupid.  Having to put 20-30k into a recruit to take him away from a D prestige school 3000 miles away when he wants to stay "close to home" is just illogical.

As for the stuff with big men needing more speed and guards needing to rebound, if it befuddles you, I suggest watching real basketball once in awhile. 

The spd discrepancy is far too large in HD and guards never/almost never lead a game in rebounding, which happens with regularity in actual basketball.   Much of that is due to ratings issue, some it it is engine issue.

Guards in real-world ball will only lead their teams in rebounding if:  (1) The opposing team sucks and doesn't box out; (2) The opponent takes mostly 3-pointers, which will bounce long and into the hands of an alert guard; (3) the guard is one of those rare animals built like a tank.

It's not a normal situation, but an exception to the norm.

Posted by Rails on 2/16/2011 11:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 2/16/2011 6:11:00 PM (view original):
Tired of having to spend 20-30lk battling sims that are 3000 miles away for recruits that are 10 miles away from me....when battling a human for the same recruit would often take less.

It's not that they need a distance penalty at all. It's who they target. Randomly targeting a kid 2000 miles away is an issue because it forces a team to spend more than they should have to especially in a remote recruiting area.

Posted by sidereal33 on 2/17/2011 12:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ethan66 on 2/16/2011 7:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 2/16/2011 6:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 2/16/2011 6:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 2/16/2011 6:11:00 PM (view original):
Tired of having to spend 20-30lk battling sims that are 3000 miles away for recruits that are 10 miles away from me....when battling a human for the same recruit would often take less.

I have to be honest: The stuff that you ***** about (i.e. this and big men needing more speed) completely befuddles me.

Do you honestly think that sims being too good at recruiting is a problem in HD? Sims are terrible. I wish they could recruit better.

I wish SIMS were better at gameplanning and recruiting; I just think this particular advantage is stupid.  Having to put 20-30k into a recruit to take him away from a D prestige school 3000 miles away when he wants to stay "close to home" is just illogical.

As for the stuff with big men needing more speed and guards needing to rebound, if it befuddles you, I suggest watching real basketball once in awhile. 

The spd discrepancy is far too large in HD and guards never/almost never lead a game in rebounding, which happens with regularity in actual basketball.   Much of that is due to ratings issue, some it it is engine issue.

Guards in real-world ball will only lead their teams in rebounding if:  (1) The opposing team sucks and doesn't box out; (2) The opponent takes mostly 3-pointers, which will bounce long and into the hands of an alert guard; (3) the guard is one of those rare animals built like a tank.

It's not a normal situation, but an exception to the norm.

About guards in the real world ... I did a little digging after reading this post because I was just interested in the facts.  I searched 4 conferences (American East, A10, ACC, and the Atlantic Sun) and a total of 46 division 1 teams from the current season and found that on 11 of the 46 teams a player listed as Guard was either the #1 or #2 rebounder on their respective team.  Another 4 teams had a player listed as a Guard/Forward who was either #1 or #2 on the team in total rebounds.  One team's top two rebounders (Georiga Tech) are both listed as guards.  I suspect this phenomenon would be even more widespread at D2 or D3 and maybe someday when I have the time I'll do an exhaustive three or four team search on ncaa.org to search past season's D3 statistics and verify my hypothesis.

Now maybe I got bored and quit my research too soon, and/or maybe the 46 schools I looked at were just flukes of nature but here's the list of guards (with height and teams listed) who are either first or second on their team in rebounds:

john holland g/f 6-5 Boston U.
tim ambrose g 6-0 Albany 
milton burton g/f 6-5 Hartford
chris de la rosa g 5-10 Md. Balt. County 
bill clark g/f 6-5 duquense
demitrius conger g 6-6 st. bonaventure
javarris barnett g 6-6 no. car. charlotte
langston galloway g 6-3 st. joseph's
derwin kitchen g 6-4 florida st.
terrell bell g/f 6-7 virginia tech
durand scott g 6-3 miami (fla)
iman shumpert g 6-5 georgia tech
glen rice jr g 6-5 georgia tech
josh slater g 6-3 lipscomb
jimmy williams g 6-4 north florida
marlon rivera g 6-2 florida gulf coast

Granted we could debate all day long about why these "exceptions to the norm" are so prevalent in real life, but I think there are plenty of real world examples to back grantducks points that guards tend to be better rebounders than the game results demonstrate.

I'm going to add one more post to the guard/rebounding debate even though the thread topic here is really supposed to be about SIM/distance recruiting.  The rebounding question is still an interesting one.  I would quote the whole thread once more, but it takes up so much room and takes so long to scroll through and do any of us really have that kind of time?

However, in response to 4Green2, I am certainly not arguing that Guards are terrific rebounders and should be amongst the leaders at a National level in WIS.  I think there are MANY reasons why Guards might lead their teams in rebounding (some plausible theories have already been provided - I think it has quite a bit to do with the minutes distriubtion - but that would throw a whole new wrench in the stamina issue of this game) and as I said before, we could debate that all day ... probably more appropriately in another thread devoted just to that topic. 

Finally, to suggest that listing a guard/forward as proof of a guard with high rebouding is a bit off is also, quite honestly, a bit off.  I suspect that Green is probably right that the Forward part does weigh heavily on a G/F or F/G's rebounding prowess, but I can't say that as a fact and don't know enough about any of the players either of us listed as G/F to say they should more effectively be considered Forwards.  What I can say is that of the 16 players I listed in my original post only 4 were listed as G/F, 12 were listed as pure guards. 

The fact remains, regardless of the reason, a guard leading his team in rebounding does appear to happen more so in real life than as a mere exception to the rule.