AAA Quality Topic

zubinsum
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Ever notice that the quality of your AAA players is inversely porportional to your need?*

I just started 2 new teams:
     On one I left only 4 roster spots open for my best AAA.  I have 6 pretty good AAA players.
     On the other, I left 8 spots open .  I wound up with 3 decent AAA players.

*This is Zubin's law of AAA quality.
 
4/6/2011 11:03 PM
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Invariably.  But I thought that was only "Thunder's Law," and I'm delighted to see that it applies to others.  If I punt a position, virtually guaranteed that the AAA at that position will be some 5 contact, D fielding, E/F stamina bum (and few if any of my other AAA's will have relevant secondary positions) .  If I have a full roster with high PA's, then I get the high contact, decent fielding, high stamina AAA's.  Basically the same principle for pitching.  And my AAA SS prospect is usually my highest stamina guy, and I always assumed that was because SS is usually where I need or want fillin help the least.

Also ever notice that AAA prospects for your teams seem to come in bunches?  It's rare to have a single outstanding AAA prospect.  Either most of them are pretty good or, more commonly, most of them suck.      
4/6/2011 11:12 PM
zubinsum
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Posted by thunder1008 on 4/6/2011 11:12:00 PM (view original):
Invariably.  But I thought that was only "Thunder's Law," and I'm delighted to see that it applies to others.  If I punt a position, virtually guaranteed that the AAA at that position will be some 5 contact, D fielding, E/F stamina bum (and few if any of my other AAA's will have relevant secondary positions) .  If I have a full roster with high PA's, then I get the high contact, decent fielding, high stamina AAA's.  Basically the same principle for pitching.  And my AAA SS prospect is usually my highest stamina guy, and I always assumed that was because SS is usually where I need or want fillin help the least.

Also ever notice that AAA prospects for your teams seem to come in bunches?  It's rare to have a single outstanding AAA prospect.  Either most of them are pretty good or, more commonly, most of them suck.      
I have had several teams with just one very good (and the rest bad) AAA.
4/6/2011 11:48 PM
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AAA got noticably worse about 6 months ago. recently they have improved back to where they were before. I don't know if these are delibarate changes or if the programmer  made an eror and recently corrected it.
4/7/2011 1:02 AM
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Don't you think that AAA should be defined by talent and not salary?

Make 'average' AAA guys be guaranteed between 80-90 OPS+, or between x and y dollars per AB, with fielding/range between D and B, etc. 

Make 'above average' AAA guys to be somewhat better. 

It's silly that Milacki and a 2.00 WHIP guy could be the same quality of AAA.
4/7/2011 10:57 AM
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Posted by thunder1008 on 4/6/2011 11:12:00 PM (view original):
Invariably.  But I thought that was only "Thunder's Law," and I'm delighted to see that it applies to others.  If I punt a position, virtually guaranteed that the AAA at that position will be some 5 contact, D fielding, E/F stamina bum (and few if any of my other AAA's will have relevant secondary positions) .  If I have a full roster with high PA's, then I get the high contact, decent fielding, high stamina AAA's.  Basically the same principle for pitching.  And my AAA SS prospect is usually my highest stamina guy, and I always assumed that was because SS is usually where I need or want fillin help the least.

Also ever notice that AAA prospects for your teams seem to come in bunches?  It's rare to have a single outstanding AAA prospect.  Either most of them are pretty good or, more commonly, most of them suck.      
I get this all the time.  Either my 6 AAA guys hit .150 as a group or .300.  I have a team that is 59-27 right now and my AAA hitters are hitting probably a combined .320 (5 of the 6 are over .300).  My two AAA pitchers are great - the SP has an ERA under 3, the RP an ERA under 2.  And in regards to comments about it being in proportion to need - I can't even get enough playing time for the hitters becasue most of my starters had well over 600 pa's.  I've got .340 hitting AAA players rotting on the bench behind .350 hitting regulars.  It's pure torture :)

I still wish they would either switch to pick your own AAA, or no AAA at all - it's too random and in a game that is supposed to pit owner against owner and our skill at drafting, it sucks to get beat by a walk off pinch hit double by a guy the opposing manager had nothing to do with getting on his team.  It would also make teams more realistic and open up a whole new world of $2M-3M starters.  You'd also see a lot less of guys like Joss, Maddux, a lot less Ruth's and Mantle's.  If we had to plan our teams season within the 25 man roster it would take a lot more skill and a lot more budgeting. 
4/7/2011 2:52 PM
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Posted by rbow923 on 4/7/2011 1:02:00 AM (view original):
AAA got noticably worse about 6 months ago. recently they have improved back to where they were before. I don't know if these are delibarate changes or if the programmer  made an eror and recently corrected it.

Did admin tell you this?

4/7/2011 3:26 PM
rbow923
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nobody told me this I'm just reporting what I've noticed.
4/7/2011 7:45 PM
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I'm happy to hear that some of you are getting .300-class performance out of some of these AAA guys, because I had convinced myself that they were all rigged with governor switches to assure that they would not have on-base percentages exceeding .267.
4/7/2011 8:01 PM
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I know the feeling Cbaltz.  A while ago I had a very good team but was also blessed with great AAA guys, inlcuding one who was a 10 power, 10 contact Duke Snider.  At least four of them hit over .300 and I even used a couple of them over my expensive underperforming drafted guys. It was hell trying to get them into games. 
4/8/2011 10:54 AM
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Posted by zubinsum on 4/6/2011 11:03:00 PM (view original):
Ever notice that the quality of your AAA players is inversely porportional to your need?*

I just started 2 new teams:
     On one I left only 4 roster spots open for my best AAA.  I have 6 pretty good AAA players.
     On the other, I left 8 spots open .  I wound up with 3 decent AAA players.

*This is Zubin's law of AAA quality.
 
This is most owners law of AAA quality.
4/8/2011 10:58 AM
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LOL ... Yes.  I drafted my team expecting some decent pitchers for my bullpen and didn't get any with any real stamina.  So I traded some for a long reliever.

On the plus side, because of a 1993 Lou Whitaker at 2B, I was able to drop my 2B and 3B to pick up 1996 Ken Caminiti.  Whitaker has actually given me the following line:

.299/.354/.425 with 7 HR and 73 RBI ... He has made 20 errors and 6 (-) plays, but considering I have 117 + plays through 117 games, I can handle bad D at one position.
4/8/2011 10:34 PM
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Interesting thread. I haven't been playing that long, but I've notice that too.  If I draft a solid pitching staff, I wind up with a good AAA reliever but no good 3B as I had hoped. How many of you guys have drafted a player who plays at multiple positions so that your AAA guys may compliment your team more easily? I'm sure a lot of you have.   Other than their strong numbers, I can see why guys like Vizquel and Bip Roberts are so important because of the utility they give you.  The more of these guys you can find the better.  I have noticed though that AAA guys, no matter on the position they qualify for, seem to do okay in other positions.  Has anybody else noticed that trend? 
4/13/2011 2:23 PM
thunder1008
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They do OK until your out-of-position AAA 1B boots a ground ball in the 9th inning to lose the deciding game of a playoff series, as happened to me recently. If you have a great hitting AAA player, you can usually live with the trade off of playing him out of position, but the cost is significant.  WIS hits the player's fielding with a flat percentage penalty for playing out of position and incremental penalties assigned according to how far out of position he is along the Bill James defensive spectrum.
4/13/2011 3:41 PM
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