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The Old Timers All Timers (OTAT) Progressive is a unique progressive that will be entering it's 7th year. The progressive started in 1901 but each season, in addition to the normal year's rookies a class of all time stars is added. For 1907, in addition to the 1907 rookies selected all time stars whose rookie seasons were in 1927,1937,1947, 1957, 1967, 1977 and 1987 are added. These rookie all-timers include:
C Yogi Berra 1947, Johnny Bench 1967
1B Gil Hodges 1947, Jimmie Foxx 1927, Eddie Murray 1977
2B Jackie Robinson 1947, Bobby Doerr 1947, Rod Carew 1967
3B Brooks Robinson 1957, Sal Bando 1967
SS Jay Bell 1987, Jeff Blauser 1987
OF Lloyd Waner 1927, **** Snider 1947, Roger Maris 1957, Reggie Jackson 1967
P  Mel Parnell 1947, Tom Seaver 1967, Ron Guidry 1977, Tom Glavine 1987
and 50 other all time stars.

The 1907 season has now started and I am offering the New York Knights as a free team,
5/1/2011 8:12 AM (edited)
League Rules have been amended as follows:

I. Old Timers All Timers League (OTAT):

The OTAT is a progressive that started with the 1901 season and moves forward. We will progress one season at a time. Selected All Timers are added to the rookie class each season. The All Timers start with thier WIS rookie season as well.

League Philosophy: The philosophy of the league is summarized in three themes: have fun, each owner takes FULL responsibility for the success of his own team and the league as a whole, and No Whining. As the rules below will make clear, it is expected that owners will meet deadlines, take full responsibility for accuracy in their keeper lists and draft picks, and act with integrity at all times.


II. Rules: Commissioner reserves the right to settle all disputes and to rule on any situation not explicitly covered in these rules. As with all rules, the “No Whining” theme applies to commissioner’s rulings. Changes to the rules may be proposed (within reason) and will be implemented if approved by 2/3 of the owners.

III. Teams: There were 16 teams initially, for the 1901 season. The league contracted to 12 teams for the 1902 season, with two six team divisions (leagues). The league expanded back to 16 teams in 1904, using WIS alternate format B-16 teams, 4 4 team divisions, no interleague play. 

IV. WIS Rules: No DH, No WW, No AAA, No Salary Cap, No Live play. Injuries off.


V. Expansion: Expansion will require a 2/3 vote of existing owners(i.e. will require 11 votes to approve). Expansion will not be considered before the 1907 season. Full details on the expansion draft will be decided at a later time, but it is likely that each team will be able to protect a set number of players (10 or so), with additional players eligible to be protected after each round of the expansion draft.
If expansion is not approved in 1907, it will not be considered again until the 1910 season, and so forth.

VI. ANNUAL DRAFTS

KEEPERS
The commissioner will set up a keeper thread in the private forum after the 120 game mark of each season. Keeper lists are due by the 135-game mark of each season; any owner that fails to do so runs the risk of losing his team. Teams may keep up to 25 players each year, plus injured reserve. Each team is allowed an unlimited number of IR slots for players who are not WIS-eligible in any given year. Each owner is responsible for keeping track of his IR players and making sure each year’s keeper list is correct. Failure to list a player as a keeper means that player will be added to the available draft list, and you risk losing the player. At the 135-game mark, all keeper lists are final; any subsequent roster corrections must be posted directly in the league forum AND sitemailed to the commissioner.

DRAFT PICKS
Unlike some progressives, you do NOT need to drop players to account for traded draft picks. (Some leagues have a rule whereby a team that, say, trades its 2nd round pick can keep no more than 23 players, in order to “free up” the traded 2nd round pick; the OTAT does not use this rule.) Each team will be allotted as many draft picks as necessary to reach 25 players, based on the total roster size of each team at the start of the draft. If, because of trades occurring during the draft, a team finds that it needs additional picks, those picks will be slotted at the very end of the draft.

AVAILABLE PLAYERS
Each season the commissioner will post a list of available players for the upcoming draft. This list will be compiled from the list of all WIS-eligible players in the given season, subtracting out all players listed as keepers. The available player list will be published shortly after the 135-game mark. Since the draft will not start until after the conclusion of the regular season, owners will have at least 9 days in which to verify that the available player list is correct.

The available players list is considered final once the draft  starts – even if it contains mistakes. IT IS EACH OWNER’S RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT NONE OF HIS KEEPERS ARE LISTED AS AVAILABLE. In the event that a mistake is made by the commissioner, and a keeper is listed on the available players list, that player WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO BE DRAFTED. Obviously, owners should help each other police the list – if you see someone listed as an available who looks too good to be true, it is likely that a mistake has been made; please point it out. However, if someone slips through the cracks and is drafted, the new owner will get to keep the player and the original owner will lose him.

Similarly, if a player who should be eligible for the draft is not listed on the available list, he may not be drafted. Such a player will be added to the available list for the following season.

DRAFT ORDER.Tanking will be discouraged by the following measures: 1.There will be a random lottery among the 4 teams with the worst record to determine draft order for the first round only. 2. Despite the results of the lottery, no team that fails to win at least 40 games during the regular season will draft higher than 3rd in the first round. 3. All other teams will draft in inverse order of their regular season record . All rounds subsequent to the first will be in inverse order of their regular season record. Ties will be broken by total run differential (total runs scored less total runs allowed) with the team having the worst run differential drafting earlier."

TANKING. The OTAT is designed for managers who want to play WIS competitively and manage their teams to the best of their ability. If there is a strong indication that an owner is not putting his best team on the field and trying to win, it will be put to a league-wide vote. A 2/3 vote of the remaining owners will be sufficient to remove the owner from the league.

DRAFTING
The draft will proceed as a standard draft (1-16, 1-16, etc except for the modified lottery result in round 1) and with the exception that owners do not have to wait for missed picks to be made up once round 1 is completed. Once round 1 is complete, as long as the owner before you has picked, you may pick. Proxies will be handled exactly the same way as in the inaugural draft. Drafting will be in 30-minute time slots, Noon to 7:30 PM, Eastern Time, Monday through Saturday. The commissioner will update the available players list and draft board as often as possible, but each owner is ultimately responsible for keeping track of who has been picked. If you make a mistake and pick a player who has already been selected or is otherwise not eligible, your pick will be considered “missed” and can be skipped.

Proxies
If you will be away during your pick, you have two options:
(a) post a public proxy in the league forums OR
(b) send a proxy to the commissioner and the two owners immediately following you AND post in the league forum draft thread that you have done this.

Failure to comply with at least one of these two conditions will be considered a missed pick. As long as you do either of these two things, your proxy will be honored, even if the owner posting for you posts late. All owners are expected to honor proxies responsibly – we will absolutely stop the draft, and undo “incorrect” picks if a proxy is not honored.


Missed Picks
If an owner misses a pick in rounds 1, all subsequent picks in that round must occur during their scheduled time slot. In other words, no picking ahead of your time slot in the first round unless all owners before you have picked. If the pick is still missing by the start of the next draft day, the commissioner will make the draft pick for the team.

Starting in round 2, owners no longer have to wait for missed picks to be made up. As long as the owner before you has picked, you may make your selection.

An owner who has 2 or more missed picks at any one time without any communication to the commissioner or in the forum may be considered to have the league. The commissioner will make the missing picks and reserves the right to take over the team and/or give the team to a new owner immediately.



VII. PARKS
You must use the park that your franchise used each season, and you must change it when they did. No exceptions.


VIII. TRADES
Draft picks may be traded up to 2 seasons in advance. For example, in the 1901 season, teams may trade 1902 or 1903 draft picks. During the 1902 draft, teams may trade picks for the current draft, or for the 1903 or 1904 drafts, etc.

There will be no trade vetoes. All trades will be permitted, even ones that seem to be somewhat one-sided. On the off chance that there is a grossly imbalanced trade (eg a team trading stars for AAA players, with no other players or draft picks in compensation) one or more owners may flag the trade as questionable. If an owner flags a trade as questionable, it will be put to a league-wide vote. A vote of 2/3 of the non-trading owners will be sufficient to overturn the trade. Please only invoke this rule if you believe that the imbalance is flagrant. Trades in which one team gets more value than another are part of baseball.
 
4/5/2011 2:58 PM (edited)
Note for any interested owners,  IR has 2 Pitchers,  Kaiser Wilhelm & Cy Morgan
4/6/2011 8:57 PM
Posted by lastinspace2 on 4/6/2011 8:57:00 PM (view original):
Note for any interested owners,  IR has 2 Pitchers,  Kaiser Wilhelm & Cy Morgan
Thanks, lastinspace 2-appreciate the reminder
4/6/2011 9:02 PM
I will take the team
4/7/2011 11:06 AM
OK thanks jeff4nole-please post keepers as soon as you have had a chance. Note that Kaiser Wilhelm and Cy Morgan were on IR.
4/7/2011 11:39 AM
great will have in by weekend
4/7/2011 6:55 PM
The Reds have been taken. I am now seeking a replacement ownesr for the New York Knights and the Chicago Cubs. Roster and 1908/1968 stats are shown below. The draft iscompleted. I drafted for the New York Knights. The owner of the Chicago Cubs made the 1st of 4 draft picks but has not responded since.  The players drafted for the Knights and the 1st round pick for the Cubs are shown in the roster box.
4/24/2011 1:49 PM (edited)
New York Knights roster:

Ossee Schreckengost C
B.J. Surhoff C
Harry Davis 1B
Eddie Murray 1B
Ryne Sandberg 2B
Jerry Priddy 2B
Dick Allen 3B
Vern Stephens SS
Gil McDougald SS
Sherry Magee OF
Tim Raines OF
Billy Williams OF
Dwight Evans OF
 Roberto  Clemente OF
Willie Stargell OF
Doyle Alexander P
Tom Candiotti P
Don Drysdale P
Dennis Eckersley P
Tom Seaver P
Frank Tanana P
Bucky Walters P
Vic Willis P
George Winter P
 Nick  Altrock P


C B.J. Surhoff (1987), 1B Eddie Murray (19770, OF Roberto Clemente (1957),  P Tom Seaver (1967) and P Nick Alrock (1907) were  drafted in this year's rookie draft.
4/24/2011 1:54 PM (edited)
New York Knights Actual Batting Statistics (projected to a 162 game season)
Season Outlook - 1 Season Ahead
 
Player SN B G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS PA SF SH
Williams, Billy 1967 L 163 638 93 177 21 12 28 85 68 67 2 6 3 .278 .346 .481 .828 717 6 2
Davis, Harry 1907 R 166 651 94 173 39 9 9 97 47 59 2 22 35 .266 .318 .395 .713 713 0 13
Stephens, Vern 1947 R 158 592 78 165 19 4 16 87 74 64 0 8 4 .279 .359 .406 .765 667 0 2
Matthews, Gary 1977 R 148 555 89 157 25 5 17 64 67 90 2 22 8 .283 .362 .438 .799 627 1 2
McDougald, Gil 1957 R 148 567 92 164 26 9 14 65 62 75 4 2 5 .289 .362 .442 .804 657 3 20
Raines, Tim 1987 S 139 530 123 175 34 8 18 68 90 52 4 50 5 .330 .429 .526 .955 627 3 0
Sandberg, Ryne 1987 R 133 527 82 155 25 2 16 59 59 79 2 21 2 .294 .367 .442 .809 591 2 1
Priddy, Jerry 1947 R 155 532 44 114 21 3 3 52 65 83 1 7 6 .214 .301 .283 .584 606 0 8
Magee, Sherry 1907 R 154 555 83 182 31 13 4 94 58 51 4 51 35 .328 .396 .455 .852 626 0 9
Allen, Dick 1967 R 122 463 89 142 31 10 23 77 75 117 1 20 5 .307 .404 .566 .970 540 0 1
Stargell, Willie 1967 L 134 462 54 125 18 6 20 73 67 103 3 1 0 .271 .365 .465 .831 536 2 2
Oglivie, Ben 1977 L 132 450 63 118 24 2 21 61 40 80 3 9 9 .262 .325 .464 .789 497 3 1
Schreckengost, Ossee 1907 R 113 398 34 108 18 3 0 42 19 36 0 4 10 .272 .306 .334 .640 421 0 3
Evans, Dwight 1977 R 73 232 39 66 9 2 14 36 28 58 0 4 2 .287 .363 .526 .889 267 1 6
Walters, Bucky 1937 R 39 146 16 40 6 0 1 17 5 17 0 1 3 .277 .303 .343 .646 153 0 2
Willis, Vic 1907 R 41 109 3 15 0 0 0 4 7 6 0 2 6 .136 .191 .136 .327 121 0 5
Winter, George 1907 R 38 103 7 23 1 0 0 0 3 9 2 3 9 .223 .263 .234 .497 109 0 1
Drysdale, Don 1957 R 36 77 7 9 0 0 2 6 7 31 0 0 0 .123 .200 .205 .405 88 0 3
Pitcher Totals -- -- 154 435 33 87 7 0 3 27 22 63 2 6 18 .200 .242 .237 .479 471 0 11
Hitter Totals -- -- 1938 7152 1057 2021 341 88 203 960 819 1014 28 227 129 .283 .358 .440 .798 8092 21 70
Totals -- -- 2092 7587 1090 2108 348 88 206 987 841 1077 30 233 147 .278 .351 .428 .779 8563 21 81

Note-Ben Ogilvie and Gary Matthews were cut. C Heinie Peitz (1906) and OF Chick Stahl (1906) retired. C B.J. Surhoff (1987) , 1B Eddie Murray (1977) and OF Roberto Clemente  have been drafted as rookies. 
4/22/2011 7:41 AM (edited)
New York Knights Actual Pitching Statistics (projected to a 162 game season)
Season Outlook - 1 Season Ahead
Player SN T GP GS W L SV IP BFP H ER HR BB SO OAV WHIP ERA HBP WP BK
Willis, Vic 1907 R 41 39 22 12 1 308.0 1202 246 80 4 73 113 .219 1.04 2.34 7 2 0
Winter, George 1907 R 38 29 13 16 1 280.0 1069 215 64 2 66 96 .215 1.01 2.07 3 4 0
Walters, Bucky 1937 R 39 36 15 16 0 261.0 1158 309 138 15 91 92 .295 1.54 4.75 3 4 0
Eckersley, Dennis 1977 R 33 33 14 13 0 249.0 1012 215 98 31 54 192 .231 1.09 3.53 7 3 0
Tanana, Frank 1977 L 31 31 15 9 0 242.0 973 201 68 19 61 205 .227 1.09 2.54 12 8 1
Alexander, Doyle 1977 R 34 34 17 11 0 237.0 995 221 96 24 82 82 .246 1.28 3.65 2 3 0
Drysdale, Don 1957 R 36 31 18 9 0 233.0 958 207 69 18 64 156 .236 1.17 2.69 7 3 1
Candiotti, Tom 1987 R 32 32 7 18 0 202.0 888 193 107 28 93 111 .250 1.42 4.78 4 13 2
Righetti, Dave 1987 L 60 0 8 6 31 95.0 419 95 37 9 44 77 .262 1.46 3.51 2 1 3
Totals -- -- 344 265 129 110 33 2,107.0 8674 1902 757 150 628 1124 .241 1.20 3.23 47 41 7

Note-Dave Righetti was cut.  Tom Seaver has been drafted as a rookie and Nick Altrock as a veteran
4/22/2011 7:42 AM (edited)
The pitching staff is very strong. Willis and Winter have huge 1907 seasons, Seaver is in his rookie season and Drysdale, Eckersley and Walters are near the beginning of their career. There are some good hitters as well.
5/1/2011 8:16 AM
i'll take them
5/1/2011 8:53 AM
OK they are yours-I'll ask admin to transfer the team and give you immediate access to the private forum. The Knights are off to a 4-0 start BTW 
5/1/2011 8:56 AM
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