Posted by jkline on 5/4/2011 4:19:00 AM (view original):
Here's a somewhat related question:

Is there any benefit to having your players in study hall after the 4th report card comes in?  Since players continue to improve through the CT, and they have finished final exams at that point, shouldn't you take the players out of study hall?  I've never been sure about this.

100% -- no study hall.

Posted by jkline on 5/4/2011 12:29:00 AM (view original):

Posted by kujayhawk on 5/3/2011 1:43:00 PM (view original):
I'm not sure there is a right answer jkline.  I've been tracking this pretty closely in the forums and I think the current forum fact is that if you give a player 10 extra minutes, it "guarantees" a player's grades not *dropping* from midterms.  An increase in study hall almost always correlates with an increase in GPA, but there have been coaches that gave 8-9 extra minutes at midterms and still had players drop in GPA come finals.

I had a player at 2.1 last semester that I gave 12 extra minutes -- because that "guarantee" really just means that nobody has posted an example that proves otherwise and while it didn't drop the GPA, it only improved it to 2.2.

This is my crazy theory because I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else than my head.  But I really believe that there is no difference in the 2.81 GPA compared to a 2.5 - 2.99 GPA.  They are all below average in the classroom - or whatever that message reads on the scouting report.  I had been getting burned by not giving enough study hall to those that fell on the 2.8 and 2.9 part of the spectrum.  I think you have to treat this guy like a 2.5 student.  Fortunately, that's a lot better than 2.0.

What type of potential does Joseph Bryan have in rebounding?  If it isn't high potential, I'd think strongly about punting whatever minutes you are putting into rebounding -- or any non-high potential category you are currently practicing -- and then shave minutes off the rest.  With the 1.7 at midterms, I think you are going to have to put in an awfully lot of minutes if you want to "ensure" he gets above 2.0.  Probably 25 or more.  I'm not saying to do that, but if you want to "ensure" you are going to need to go big.

That's an interesting theory.  I never payed attention to see how closely high school GPA correlates to the court/classroom intelligence of the player because I know that high school GPA does not exactly correlate to intellegence.  They are correlated, but not exactly correlated. In other words, a player with a 3.0 high school GPA is not guaranteed to be more intelligent than a player with a 2.75 GPA.  The 3.0 GPA student will probably be more intelligent, but there is some random deviation in these correlations.  Seble stated this in a Dev Chat, I believe. Plus, the intelligence rating could  actually be more graduated than it appears, just like FT% and IQ are more graduated than they appear.  So, when you say that there is no difference in intelligence between 2.5 and 2.99 GPA maybe you are actually getting confused by the randomness since not every GPA is falling into its expected intelligence slot . . . and maybe there is some variation you are not perceiving, even between players who appear to have the same intelligence in the scouting report.  Anyway, there's no way to know these things without getting an answer from HD.

2.5 to 2.99 is not the same.

HS GPA absolutely has an impact on iq improvement and how many SH minutes a player needs.

Any comment on the scouting report re: intelligence does not tell you anything more in-depth or additional than simply glancing at the HS GPA.

Posted by girt25 on 5/4/2011 7:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jkline on 5/4/2011 4:19:00 AM (view original):
Here's a somewhat related question:

Is there any benefit to having your players in study hall after the 4th report card comes in?  Since players continue to improve through the CT, and they have finished final exams at that point, shouldn't you take the players out of study hall?  I've never been sure about this.

100% -- no study hall.

As soon as you get the final report card, you can dump any and all the minutes you have in SH back into any or all of the other ratings.

what kind of WE are we looking at there kujayhawk, with the 2.97 v. 3.04. 

Just deleted my post tianyi7886.  Sorry about that.

I'm also deleting my other post as well and I'd prefer that the two that have my original post be deleted as well.

Because the topic of the thread was what needs to be done to guarantee eligibility, I offered my half-baked theory on why you might want to throw a few extra study hall minutes into the mix if you really, really need to make sure a guy makes grades.

But even when I was typing it up, I wasn't sure I should.  It is a crazy theory based on a limited sample size and based on the forum complaints a few people that likely pollutes the sample I have.

I think I made the disclaimers so that it wouldn't be taken as gospel but because folks might misinterpret what I was saying I'd just prefer to delete the comments altogether.

One of my worst posts ever and I apologize for that.

Posted by kujayhawk on 5/4/2011 10:30:00 AM (view original):
Just deleted my post tianyi7886.  Sorry about that.

I'm also deleting my other post as well and I'd prefer that the two that have my original post be deleted as well.

Because the topic of the thread was what needs to be done to guarantee eligibility, I offered my half-baked theory on why you might want to throw a few extra study hall minutes into the mix if you really, really need to make sure a guy makes grades.

But even when I was typing it up, I wasn't sure I should.  It is a crazy theory based on a limited sample size and based on the forum complaints a few people that likely pollutes the sample I have.

I think I made the disclaimers so that it wouldn't be taken as gospel but because folks might misinterpret what I was saying I'd just prefer to delete the comments altogether.

One of my worst posts ever and I apologize for that.

There's no harm in posting half-baked theories, just as long as it's not accompanied with wild claims or pretensions. In the process of dispelling a bad theory, we are forced to learn something new or double-check something we weren't sure about in the first place.

Grades posted and the player in question passed with a 2.2 term GPA. I put him on 23 minutes of study hall and judging by the results that means he produced a 2.7 GPA for the second half of the term.  23 minutes seems to have been the right amount.  He cleared the bar and didn't waste much time on unimportant stuff like lurnun and skool.

I'm glad that worked out for you, jk