D2 battling D1 Topic

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I'm a D2 team recruiting against a human D1.  I know I don't normally have a shot but he has more players considering him than he has open spots.  I'm pretty sure the guy I'm targeting is a backup for him.  The recruit in question accepts my visits and would normally be considering me based on the amount of effort put into him.  However, he is not considering me.  Assuming the D1 team signs the other recruits and leaves this guy high and dry, will the recruit automatically consider me?  (assuming I was the only other school going after him)
5/10/2011 5:48 PM
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That human D1 would be me.  And he was a backup option, who I just revoked the scholarship offer to and won't pursue any further.  He should automatically consider you (I think) at the 8 o'clock cycle and possibly even sign with you then.  
5/10/2011 6:45 PM
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I agree.  I guess it was partially naive of me to do that.  But now that it's past the 8 PM cycle, I'd like to point out that he's no longer considering me (but I only spent about $600 on him anyway) and he's back considering only toys team.  
5/10/2011 9:43 PM
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A season or two ago during recruiting I received a sitemail asking if I would be willing to get out of a battle for an international in exchange for him dropping a North american we were also battling over. Actually, battle is sort of strong. 1st recruiting responses came back and seeing me and the other coach battling for those two guys I decided to just pursue the N. American. It was a few cycles later  that I got the sitemail proposing just that. I would never report a guy (not my style) but did respond with
"I can not confirm or deny due to Wis policy :) ". - Me still thinks this is the best way to handle situations lie this.
5/10/2011 10:16 PM
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actually, it wasn't the battle w/sol_pheonom I was talking about.  That guy we were battling for was always considering me.  I did realize you gave up on him,.

Alabama was on the verge of signing 5 five-star recruits and had a Sr transfer who was considering them as well.  I threw 3 HVs and a SV at him and he never considered me (not that I thought he would).  But after 'bama signed their recruits, he wasn't considering anyone after the signingings cycle.  I was hoping my school would be showing there, but it wasn't.  So the next cycle 2 D1s jumped on him and I'm done.  I'm not complaining, I was just wondering if I could somehow got some hidden recruiting credit for my efforts if his first choice fell through, which it did.
5/11/2011 1:16 AM
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I think that private messages to address these situations are okay. I mean, in real life, a coach can always call another coach and see what's going on with a recruit. I'm sure it happens every day.

5/11/2011 9:27 AM
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a real life coach can, and even though this game is supposed to mirror real life, there is a policy that explains that you cannot do that in this game. where do you draw the line? at times, groups of coaches have been involved in drafting players, where they would take turns making their picks, deciding who gets what recruit, and anybody left out had effectively 0 chance of getting any of the good players in the area, because they were already assigned to people who had guarantees of nobody else battling them. its hard to draw a line in the sand between that sort of agreement and an agreement between just 2 coaches about who is going to win a player in question, so i think the only reasonable place to draw the line is at no agreements or discussions of that sort at all.
5/11/2011 9:35 AM (edited)
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Posted by gillispie on 5/11/2011 9:35:00 AM (view original):
a real life coach can, and even though this game is supposed to mirror real life, there is a policy that explains that you cannot do that in this game. where do you draw the line? at times, groups of coaches have been involved in drafting players, where they would take turns making their picks, deciding who gets what recruit, and anybody left out had effectively 0 chance of getting any of the good players in the area, because they were already assigned to people who had guarantees of nobody else battling them. its hard to draw a line in the sand between that sort of agreement and an agreement between just 2 coaches about who is going to win a player in question, so i think the only reasonable place to draw the line is at no agreements or discussions of that sort at all.
I agree with Billy here.
5/11/2011 10:29 AM
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Posted by emy1013 on 5/11/2011 10:29:00 AM (view original):
Posted by gillispie on 5/11/2011 9:35:00 AM (view original):
a real life coach can, and even though this game is supposed to mirror real life, there is a policy that explains that you cannot do that in this game. where do you draw the line? at times, groups of coaches have been involved in drafting players, where they would take turns making their picks, deciding who gets what recruit, and anybody left out had effectively 0 chance of getting any of the good players in the area, because they were already assigned to people who had guarantees of nobody else battling them. its hard to draw a line in the sand between that sort of agreement and an agreement between just 2 coaches about who is going to win a player in question, so i think the only reasonable place to draw the line is at no agreements or discussions of that sort at all.
I agree with Billy here.
emy is just trying to butter me up, after he poached me so ruthlessly over in d1 tark. curse you emy! if only i wasn't simultaneously trying to poach louisville, i might have had the money to fight you off :(
5/11/2011 10:35 AM
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how do you guys feel about one coach sending another coach a sitemail to ask if he is serious about a particular recruit? No agreements or deals made, just one coach saying "hey, is player x a priority or backup for you?"
5/11/2011 7:30 PM
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Posted by pjbrankin on 5/11/2011 7:30:00 PM (view original):
how do you guys feel about one coach sending another coach a sitemail to ask if he is serious about a particular recruit? No agreements or deals made, just one coach saying "hey, is player x a priority or backup for you?"
i don't think that is ok, either. even though its not really an agreement, if you are asking a question, its probably because you are going to act on that information. if the other coach lies, thats fine, but if he tells the truth, that is essentially an agreement between the two coaches about how one of them is going to act, which often implies how the other will act.

maybe that sounds a bit ridiculous. my take is simple - its not fair to privately exchange information during recruiting, no exceptions. its just not fair to coaches who don't have that information. and it is explicitly forbidden to trade information that is clearly not an agreement - like FSS data. so i think the company policy is reasonably clear on this one - no sitemail during recruiting.
5/11/2011 10:32 PM
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the only kinds of sitemail I engage in during recruiting is either totally unrelated to recruiting or is to ask another coach I am involved in a battle with if he will share info after the battle, and if I do ask that, it is simply that, "after this is over would you be interested in sharing data for research purposes?"
5/11/2011 10:58 PM
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Posted by dacj501 on 5/11/2011 10:58:00 PM (view original):
the only kinds of sitemail I engage in during recruiting is either totally unrelated to recruiting or is to ask another coach I am involved in a battle with if he will share info after the battle, and if I do ask that, it is simply that, "after this is over would you be interested in sharing data for research purposes?"
i think all that is 100% ok.
5/11/2011 11:15 PM
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I would rather have the information out in the open as opposed to sending site mails. Personally though, if a question like this pops up during recruiting, I usually play it out one way or the other and if my live and learn philosophy doesn't work (which it often doesn't) I post the question after recruiting if done, or at least after the situation is over. I.E. the other team fills its scholarships.
5/12/2011 7:49 PM
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