Naismith Postseason Topic

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what did you expect?
5/18/2011 9:31 AM
It's about what I expected; that doesn't mean it's how it should be.
5/18/2011 1:39 PM
one issue is that when

a. it is true that BCS have a big edge

or

b. if it is true that BCS have an edge - big or not - but people believe it is big

that folks will try hard to get to BCS with the result that BCS will be well populated with skllled coaches - which enhances the BCS edge whether it is big, bigger or huge
5/18/2011 4:43 PM
From someone who doesn't care too much, I'd need a lot more information before it's a conclusion.

1: How many humans are BCS and non-BCS?
2. Of the numbers listed, what were the record of human, non-BCS teams?  What is their prestige?  From what conference?

In short, the data I would need is something saying that being non-BCS doesn't make you sweet 16 worthy.  What is the quality of coaches at non-BCS schools in that world?  How long have they been there?  What is their prestige vs. the school's baseline?

The game was designed with the real world as the hard coding- you cannot make Southern Utah into the next Duke.  So how are the teams performing vs. what you would expect?
5/18/2011 5:20 PM
Rupp CUSA in a few seasons will provide evidence of whether the BCS advantage is too big. 
5/18/2011 5:37 PM
Rupp CUSA in a few seasons will provide evidence of whether the BCS advantage is too big. 
5/18/2011 5:37 PM
My question to you, ekswimmer, or the others that are complaining, what would you suggest WIS to implement to the engine/recruiting/whatever to make it a more realistic or even playing field? Because in HD it is hard to parallel the real world when all of the real coaches gravitate towards the bcs conferences...
5/18/2011 6:51 PM
Atrain, this is definitely true. But the difference has become so large it's ridiculous. I honestly dont care enough to spend the time to pull the numbers asked for above. But the combination of there being a larger difference between the elite and good players, and the resulting increase in recruiting money to the BCS conferences as they got almost all of these elite players, has basically created a system where the only way for a mid major to compete is to put together a 5-6 man class and get 1 good year (maybe 2 if its a very good class). While you can argue this is actually pretty realistic, it doesnt create a good product.

As far as fixing it, recruit generation is still the easiest way, I think. It will let some elite players slide to the mid majors which will dilute the post season recruiting money some as well. Im not saying a huge change needs to be made, but enough that it's at least possible to build a semi competitive program.

Not saying this for my benefit, I obviously have never made the jump to a BCS team. Itd just be nice to have the ability to get a Butler/Gonzaga/Davidson/BYU/SDSU, and on and on everyone once in a while.
5/19/2011 1:21 AM
Posted by tianyi7886 on 5/18/2011 5:37:00 PM (view original):
Rupp CUSA in a few seasons will provide evidence of whether the BCS advantage is too big. 
Before the CUSA Hype gets blown up again, the A10 is already doing that in Rupp. 4 of the top 28 rpis and another in the low 40s, and a better conf rpi than the ACC. Oh yeah, they only have 6 human coaches in that conference too. Actually, in Rupp, numerous conferences have also had success.For ex. the Ivy has done really well recently with good coaching despite D baselines.
5/19/2011 4:58 AM (edited)
ekswimmer, if you can't beat them join them.
Tenn. is open in the SEC, apply this off season.
5/19/2011 12:15 PM
Ive thought about it. Ive got a big JR class, we'll see how recruiting goes when Ive got some spare cash.
5/19/2011 1:33 PM
Posted by nbstowman on 5/19/2011 4:58:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tianyi7886 on 5/18/2011 5:37:00 PM (view original):
Rupp CUSA in a few seasons will provide evidence of whether the BCS advantage is too big. 
Before the CUSA Hype gets blown up again, the A10 is already doing that in Rupp. 4 of the top 28 rpis and another in the low 40s, and a better conf rpi than the ACC. Oh yeah, they only have 6 human coaches in that conference too. Actually, in Rupp, numerous conferences have also had success.For ex. the Ivy has done really well recently with good coaching despite D baselines.
So is the MWC in Phelan and before that the Big West in Naismith...its just about filling the conferences with competent human coaches who all agree to stick around...I think this is the most overhyped issue in WIS.
5/19/2011 1:39 PM
So more datapoints, even better. 
5/20/2011 1:58 AM
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