i wish i remembered the details, but i am thinking i had about 10k into a guy, redshirted him, and he took me off his list. but maybe it was less. i guess i will have to wait till 1am and try, so i can right the ship while everyone is sleeping if it doesn't go well... although, then there is FSS data. stupid FSS data, coming out at 2:00. kind of ruins the games you can play in the middle of the night.