I do think there is an answer, actually:  Freshman generally suck in D2 and D3.

Posted by aejones on 8/22/2011 2:26:00 AM (view original):
if you go in to a recruiting season with a # of players in mind, and exactly what positions you need, you are setting yourself up to fail. 

be one with recruiting.

i think if you go into recruiting without knowing exactly what positions you need, you are putting yourself at a major disadvantage. of course, you want to maintain an open mind. but the simple reality is there are enough players close enough in talent that its very often the case where the "best player" in absolute terms is not the best player for your team. i do think it is important to stay open about taking a walkon or two though... depending on the talent available

Posted by ethan66 on 8/23/2011 11:11:00 AM (view original):
I do think there is an answer, actually:  Freshman generally suck in D2 and D3.

and d1

Posted by girt25 on 8/23/2011 6:25:00 AM (view original):
dcy, the season you cited was a great accomplishment, but the fact that you did that doesn't mean that (a) most people could do that or (b) it's a good strategy (not saying it's a bad strategy, either, only the fact that it worked incredibly well in Season 24 doesn't really demonstrate anything).

It's kind of like kmason saying, "Look, I can point to one mid-major team that went far in the NT, so that means recruit generation works and all mid-majors can compete like they used to!" The fact is, the overwhelming majority of coaches aren't going to be able to do anything close to that with six frosh.

You're right, of course, Daalt as per the usual.   

And at the risk of sounding sarcastic (which I'm not trying to be), you may want to explain to the crowd how using something as simple as ratios of NT/games can be very misleading.  Simply because......some of us like taking over rebuilds, where you can go five, six, even seven seasons with no realistic shot at an NT.  Course, this can add several hundred games to your overall record, thus making your "ratio" look quite bad, but I'm sure you realize that.  But you put these things far more eloquently than I can, so if you would (if my explanation wasn't clear enough), please explain to everyone how some numbers can certainly be skewed.  Thanks (and again, no sarcasm intended.  You really do explain these things better than I do).

Posted by tianyi7886 on 8/23/2011 12:24:00 PM (view original):
Why doesn't the great dcy, who likes to flount his 1000+ wins in Tark, explain how his great Tark team can't even maintain A+ prestige? And why doesn't the great dcy, who claims that making the NT is all about scheduling well in OOC, whom also claims that scheduling OOC well is easy, ended up with a 6-4 record in non conf play, 98rpi, and 140 SOS?

And it would be really funny when the 1000+ win coach, 11th on the all time win list in Tark, doesn't even make the National Tournament with his "D2 dynasty," while my Naismith D3 C- prestige rebuild goes into the National Tournament as a 1 seed, only 3 seasons into the rebuild. 

If your gonna run your mouth, at least get your facts straight.  THIS ID is number eleven on the all-time win list, not my dcy ID.  That one is first.  And if you'd like to bet a gift certificate on whether my dcy ID makes the NT, I'm up for it.  You can accept the offer here if you'd like.

However, seeing, as how I've obviously succeeded in yanking your chain and getting you all up in your feelings (wasn't that difficult really), there doesn't seem to be any need for me to continue posting on this topic anymore.  Have a nice day Tianyi and congrats with your D3 team, you're obviously the most talented HD coach ever!!

Oh, one last thing, BillyG with SIU,E (probably thye most dominant team ever in D2 Tark) actually had his team's prestige drop to a B at one point a few seasons back.  Maintaining an A+ prestige is great, but things DO happen that can cause it to drop, if that's not too difficult to comprehend.  Well, again, you're the best Tianyi, obvioulsy better than me, so time for me to go I guess.

Posted by emy1013 on 8/23/2011 12:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tianyi7886 on 8/23/2011 12:24:00 PM (view original):
Why doesn't the great dcy, who likes to flount his 1000+ wins in Tark, explain how his great Tark team can't even maintain A+ prestige? And why doesn't the great dcy, who claims that making the NT is all about scheduling well in OOC, whom also claims that scheduling OOC well is easy, ended up with a 6-4 record in non conf play, 98rpi, and 140 SOS?

And it would be really funny when the 1000+ win coach, 11th on the all time win list in Tark, doesn't even make the National Tournament with his "D2 dynasty," while my Naismith D3 C- prestige rebuild goes into the National Tournament as a 1 seed, only 3 seasons into the rebuild. 

If your gonna run your mouth, at least get your facts straight.  THIS ID is number eleven on the all-time win list, not my dcy ID.  That one is first.  And if you'd like to bet a gift certificate on whether my dcy ID makes the NT, I'm up for it.  You can accept the offer here if you'd like.

However, seeing, as how I've obviously succeeded in yanking your chain and getting you all up in your feelings (wasn't that difficult really), there doesn't seem to be any need for me to continue posting on this topic anymore.  Have a nice day Tianyi and congrats with your D3 team, you're obviously the most talented HD coach ever!!

Oh, one last thing, BillyG with SIU,E (probably thye most dominant team ever in D2 Tark) actually had his team's prestige drop to a B at one point a few seasons back.  Maintaining an A+ prestige is great, but things DO happen that can cause it to drop, if that's not too difficult to comprehend.  Well, again, you're the best Tianyi, obvioulsy better than me, so time for me to go I guess.

I never stated that I'm the most talented HD coach nor did I start any of this. As far as I can tell, you are the one who started pulling out resumes about # of wins and success in various worlds.

And for someone who likes to run off past success as arguments, you sure lack the credentials. None of your long term D2/D3 teams are A+ prestige; at least when others used this line of argument (like uglyskunk) they had the resume to back it up. 

I offered a reasoned response to the original poster and instead of offering any advice on the topic, you ponied up a season from 2 years ago in half sim conference, saying making the NT with 6 FR is easy, while I was talking about all human conf. Guess it's trolling season. 

Keep flexing those internet muscles guys, this is great!

Posted by stinenavy on 8/23/2011 12:50:00 PM (view original):
Keep flexing those internet muscles guys, this is great!

I'm actually kind of embarassed that it's went this far.  On that note, I really WILL stop responding.....

At high-level D1, I like to stay as flexible as possible. EE's make it too difficult to plan for any kind of structured class-size distribution. Ideally, I like to sign 3-4 players each season, and have no problem taking 1-2 walk-ons if circumstances warrant it. I also always try to make sure I have at least 3 openings every season, so that I can protect my home turf and prevent my rivals from getting any of the top local talent. Nothing's worse than having 1 opening, and watching someone come in and grab an elite recruit from your backyard.

Posted by gillispie on 8/23/2011 11:20:00 AM (view original):

Posted by aejones on 8/22/2011 2:26:00 AM (view original):
if you go in to a recruiting season with a # of players in mind, and exactly what positions you need, you are setting yourself up to fail. 

be one with recruiting.

i think if you go into recruiting without knowing exactly what positions you need, you are putting yourself at a major disadvantage. of course, you want to maintain an open mind. but the simple reality is there are enough players close enough in talent that its very often the case where the "best player" in absolute terms is not the best player for your team. i do think it is important to stay open about taking a walkon or two though... depending on the talent available

good point