Robert Jeffress is 100% correct Topic

swamphawk22
Posts: 13021 (0)
Hall of Famer
9 4 8 3 84 113 36
Prospect
I am more than willing to let you take the lead so I can go back to defending Palin.

All the reasons you listed (Meanca) are just differences. Their religion is different than ours. We are a Religion and they are a cult.

What should our response to a Cult be?
10/17/2011 3:22 PM
meanceprimea
Posts: 42 (0)
Hall of Famer
45 1
Prospect
Sure they are just differences to an outsider looking in. 

Heck from that perspective all religion is ridiculous.

As far as what should our response be, I don't think a response is necessary, which is why in my opening I asked "does it really matter what religion a candidate claims?".
10/17/2011 4:26 PM
meanceprimea
Posts: 42 (0)
Hall of Famer
45 1
Prospect
Posted by genghisxcon on 10/17/2011 3:12:00 PM (view original):
I object to swamp being the voice of reason in this thread.
I was clarifying the issue with both religions that swamp referenced.

If that is unreasonable to you, so be it.
10/17/2011 4:28 PM
swamphawk22
Posts: 13021 (0)
Hall of Famer
9 4 8 3 84 113 36
Prospect
Posted by meanceprimea on 10/17/2011 4:26:00 PM (view original):
Sure they are just differences to an outsider looking in. 

Heck from that perspective all religion is ridiculous.

As far as what should our response be, I don't think a response is necessary, which is why in my opening I asked "does it really matter what religion a candidate claims?".
1 True.

2 No, from that perspective all religions have supernatural stories in them.

3 It doesnt matter what religion?

I think we need to be as tolerant as possible towards people of other faiths. Saying that it is possible that someone could be in a truly bizzare group. That is why calling someone who is almost like you but opens the wrong end of the eggs "A Cult" is a negative.
10/18/2011 11:42 AM
silentpadna
Posts: 980 (0)
Hall of Famer
148
Prospect

I hadn't read this thread until now so apologies if this is old to the rest of you. 

Mormons are not, from the Christian perspective, "almost" like Christians.  Mean touched on the scriptural differences, but did not talk to much about the doctrinal differences - which is perhaps a bigger issue (both are big, but in this case, the doctrinal issue is where the "cult" reference comes from).

Orthodox Christianity's central doctrine is not based on what Christ taught, but based on who He is and what we, as people, are.  In that light, Mormonism is a completely different faith than that which is based on Biblical scripture alone.  They use the name and call themselves Christians, but that does not make them so in the traditional sense.

In a nutshell
 
- there are huge differences as to what it takes for a person to receive salvation
- there are huge differences as to who Jesus is and who other characters in the Bible are (i.e. Lucifer, Michael, etc)
- there are many Mormon "scriptures" that add to the work that Jesus had already finished, as well as what was "required" of believers.

The Biblical concept of grace is twisted to mean something different - so much so that Mormonism is not in line with Biblical teaching on this subject at all.  This is crucial.

It would take a lot longer and require a lot more specifics than I have time for here, but there are legitimate reasons why many Christians consider Mormonism to be a cult.  Especially in terms of what a cult is considered to be.

11/3/2011 1:26 PM
gridguru
Posts: 12 (0)
Veteran
21
Prospect
An important point here: how are we defining "cult." By more than one definition, Christianity – be it Catholic, Protestant or other manifestation thereof – qualifies.

A definition of Christianity might be helpful, too. If a Christian is one who believes Jesus to be be the son of God and savior of mankind, then Mormons are Christians. If it means that plus accepting that the Bible is the word of God, then, Mormons are Christians. mean's definition adds to that, however. One must believe in the Bible as the lone divinely-inspired word. So, just how strict does that become? If someone believes in the King James version with it's inaccuracies and poetic license, are they Christian? Or are the literal original inscriptions of the Gospels the only true word of God?   
11/3/2011 4:00 PM
meanceprimea
Posts: 42 (0)
Hall of Famer
45 1
Prospect
It is their doctrine that conflicts with Biblical scriptures. They teach that God, The Father, was once a human. This is in total opposition to everything in the Bible.
Additionally, they have a practice of holding religious marriage ceremonies for their dead ancestors, who have no record of a "church wedding", but only a civil record.
Again this is directly opposed to the Biblical principle of individuals being solely responsible for their own salvation. They believe that their ancestors who married civilly, but not under God, are in some state of limbo, and that by performing a ceremony on their behalf will aid in their salvation and free their soul.

There are many others but really, I agree with your initial statement that by some definitions all religions are cults. From an outsider's perspective, It is easy to argue that The Bible may well be the most evil and harmful thing in all of history.

There are several tiers of debate, at work here.

Is there such a thing as God at all?
If we can agree that God exists, is He necessarily the God of the Hebrew Bible?
If we can agree that he is, then, and only then, can we begin to debate theology, doctrines and interpretation issues. 
Etc.Etc.

11/4/2011 2:08 AM
◂ Prev 12
Robert Jeffress is 100% correct Topic
△Top△Bottom

Search Criteria

Terms of Use Customer Support Privacy Statement

© 1999-2026 WhatIfSports.com, Inc. All rights reserved. WhatIfSports is a trademark of WhatIfSports.com, Inc. SimLeague, SimMatchup and iSimNow are trademarks or registered trademarks of Electronic Arts, Inc. Used under license. The names of actual companies and products mentioned herein may be the trademarks of their respective owners.