Mid Season Minor League FA's Topic

Posted by musketeer22 on 11/18/2011 12:06:00 PM (view original):
I'm aware, but there aren't any players of AA or AAA caliber. It seems like a waste to just have 27-33 year old guys rot away waiting for a ML contract.
If they don't have ML potential, they're just roster filler.  I've never understood how or why people get hung up on "AA or AAA caliber".  They're just warm bodies to fill a roster around your true prospects.
11/18/2011 6:22 PM
Posted by a_ersberg on 11/18/2011 6:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/18/2011 2:16:00 PM (view original):
They don't retire if you promote them.  Previous explanation applies.   How many guys play 10 seasons in LoA in the real world?   At some point, everyone realizes they have to start life. 
Its the 62 overall LF with splits in the 30's asking for a 4yr/16mil offer that sit in FA for three seasons then retire , cause a problem with worlds running out of players.  I know they retire if they dont play.  Hell, they retire when they do play. 
Sign your draft picks and promote them occassionally.   And worlds don't run out of players.    Are you implying the WifS doesn't supply enough players to fill out minor league rosters?  If you believe that, and it's true, HBD has some serious problems.
11/18/2011 6:44 PM

In 9 seasons in Jackie Robinson, you have failed to sign 79 draft picks.   Almost 9 per season.   Why, again, do worlds run out of players?

11/18/2011 6:54 PM
I dont like my 24th round Dh and 25th round RP.  Id rather keep the 61 overall LF and not pay him 4 mil a season.  I guess its guys like me that run the talent well dry.  What do you do with your crappy draft picks?  Do you release them or are they barely on your radar?
11/18/2011 8:39 PM
Almost every season, I end up having to cut players because I simply don't have room in the minors for them. Or I have room, but my minor league pitchers are staying inactive for weeks at a time and not getting worthwhile innings because the bullpen is packed like a sardine can.  The reason for this is that I sign all my draft picks (except in those weird scenarios where a 17th rounder is holding out for a king's ransom).

You DON'T sign your draft picks and then complain about not being able to fill out your AA and AAA teams.  You tell me where the problem lies.

As was said earlier, not every minor leaguer has big league potential, nor should they all be expected to, but you still have to sign them if you want to complete a lineup card.
11/19/2011 4:51 AM
Posted by a_ersberg on 11/18/2011 8:39:00 PM (view original):
I dont like my 24th round Dh and 25th round RP.  Id rather keep the 61 overall LF and not pay him 4 mil a season.  I guess its guys like me that run the talent well dry.  What do you do with your crappy draft picks?  Do you release them or are they barely on your radar?
You can check my draft history in any of my worlds like I just checked your draft history in JR.    But you'll find guys like this:  Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Brian Lord    I sign them for their 17k and use them 3-8 seasons to fill out my RL/LoA/HiA teams until they retire.

Or at least I did.   With tryout camp players now, players like Lord are more likely to go unsigned and I'll use TC players in that role.
11/19/2011 7:34 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/19/2011 7:34:00 AM (view original):
Posted by a_ersberg on 11/18/2011 8:39:00 PM (view original):
I dont like my 24th round Dh and 25th round RP.  Id rather keep the 61 overall LF and not pay him 4 mil a season.  I guess its guys like me that run the talent well dry.  What do you do with your crappy draft picks?  Do you release them or are they barely on your radar?
You can check my draft history in any of my worlds like I just checked your draft history in JR.    But you'll find guys like this:  Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Brian Lord    I sign them for their 17k and use them 3-8 seasons to fill out my RL/LoA/HiA teams until they retire.

Or at least I did.   With tryout camp players now, players like Lord are more likely to go unsigned and I'll use TC players in that role.
It's funny how quickly you're jumping the fence to become part of the problem that you've been preaching about for years.
11/19/2011 8:07 AM
Whattya mean I'm funny?  Whattya mean? They way I talk? What?  Funny how? I mean, what's funny about it? You mean, let me understand this ... cuz I ... maybe its me, maybe I'm a little fucked up maybe. I'm funny how, I mean funny, like I'm a clown? I amuse you. I make you laugh? I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? Whattya you mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?   How the **** am I funny? What the **** is so funny about me? Tell me. Tell me what's funny?
11/19/2011 8:35 AM
Seriously, it's not going to be a problem any longer.   I was against tryout camp position players.  I've gone on and on about them since they were first mentioned as a "solution".  WifS finally caved and created them.    Now there's no reason to sign players like Lord who can't really hit or field.   Players who are minor league filler.  I can take that 750k, or more, that I'd use to sign minor league filler and increase my bid on an IFA.   And, when the season is done, I can sign my draftees if I have leftover bonus money.   It's just the smart thing to do.   I didn't create the situation but I won't put myself at a disadvantage by not doing what I think is the smart move.
11/19/2011 8:40 AM

BTW, I've always agreed with your position of "sign your damn draft picks", but I've always felt that that alone would not solve the problem.  Excessive minor league retirements due to lack of promotions also contributed.  Both of those things are symptoms of systemic bad owner behavior in HBD.  And you're not going to change systemic bad behavior without offering some sort of effective incentive to the owners to change.  "Doing the right thing" is not incentive enough to get people to change . . . if they already don't care, then labeling them as "part of the problem" is just going to be ignored.  Which is exactly what has been happening.

I've offered some DITR changes as a possible incentive, i.e. only making draftees eligible for DITR, and the number of DITR's you get dependent upon how many draftees you sign, etc., but I don't think that would have been enough either unless they really ramped up the potential quality of DITR's.  But we also don't want DITR to turn into a "free stud prospect" handout, as has been discussed ad nauseum.

In the end, I think tryout camp position players was an inevitable solution to a chronic problem (depleted minor league free agent pools) that was not going to be solved otherwise.

11/19/2011 9:12 AM
IMO, "bad behavior" was rewarded and made the bottom end(10-25, maybe more) of the draft irrelevant.   TC PP weren't out a day before the complaining began that they weren't good enough.   As for me, I'm playing the game they gave me.   I think it's "bad behavior" but it's also the smart thing to do.   FWIW, I signed all my picks in Coop because I have no IFA scouting.  Next season, I'll have 1m so I can see some IFA and effectively stop signing drafted oster filler.   It's a new situation that's been created. 
11/19/2011 9:31 AM
My original question definitely has more to do with the 36-37 year old reliever that is asking for 400-500k to sign. I'd give him that money and assign him to AAA. It's not about me wanting to sign a guy asking for 6 million to a 327k contract and putting him in AAA- it's the player who I would pay the same amount of money to whether I assigned them to the ML or AAA. Hell, I'll give him a 10k signing bonus to accept an assignment to AAA. 

I understand that the game is about building depth, but as a 2nd year owner of a team, I obviously wasn't able to control the depth before I took over. It's frustrating to need a AAA pitcher mid season and the only way to get one is to promote a AA guy to AAA and then a High A guy to AA and then a Low A guy to High A and then a Rookie leaguer to Low A and then sign a tryout camp guy. 
11/20/2011 2:25 AM
Posted by a_ersberg on 11/18/2011 6:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/18/2011 2:16:00 PM (view original):
They don't retire if you promote them.  Previous explanation applies.   How many guys play 10 seasons in LoA in the real world?   At some point, everyone realizes they have to start life. 
Its the 62 overall LF with splits in the 30's asking for a 4yr/16mil offer that sit in FA for three seasons then retire , cause a problem with worlds running out of players.  I know they retire if they dont play.  Hell, they retire when they do play. 
Please. For every one of those guys, there are a dozen career minor leaguers who pack it in because they never got promoted out of A-ball.

'Players with inflated demands' is not the reason worlds run out of players. Minor league mismanagement is a far bigger factor.
11/20/2011 1:31 PM
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