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Player 1:


Current
Rating		 Potential     Current
Rating		 Potential
Athleticism 61 Average   Perimeter 43 High
Speed 80 Average   Ball Handling 66 High
Rebounding 9 Low   Passing 53 High
Defense 47 Average   Stamina 59 High
Shot Blocking 1 Low   Durability 73 Average
Low-post 1 Low   FT Shooting   High

Player 2:

Current
Rating		 Potential     Current
Rating		 Potential
Athleticism 81 Low     Perimeter 46 Low  
Speed 53 High     Ball Handling 37 Average  
Rebounding 28 Average     Passing 54 Low  
Defense 57 High     Stamina 73 Average  
Shot Blocking 10 Average     Durability 60 Average
Low-post 55 Low   FT Shooting   Average  

#2 is high high in spd, normal-high in defense.

This is D1. Normally, I would say #1 is a no brainer but #2s defense is tempting. 

1/27/2012 1:18 PM (edited)
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Division 1 and man def?

Assuming that's right, it's tough because I would try to never play a 60-def guy in D1, but I just don't see how player 2 will be useful on offense against top-50 schools.  I guess it depends on what you need.  If you need a guard who can score a little and you have other defenders, I would take 1.  If you aren't as worried about scoring and would like defender who can play SG/SF, I would take 2.

They're so different that it would almost be a need thing for me.

1/27/2012 1:19 PM
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What would you say if I provide you with the following info. These are the other 2 guards I'm bringing in. Essentially, I got one of each of the above already:

Potential
  Current
Rating		 Potential     Current
Rating		 Potential
Athleticism 71 High   Perimeter 62 High
Speed 72 Low   Ball Handling 70 High
Rebounding 1 Low   Passing 53 High
Defense 58 High   Stamina 80 Average
Shot Blocking 1 Low   Durability 59 Average
Low-post 18 Low   FT Shooting   Average

 

Potential
  Current
Rating		 Potential     Current
Rating		 Potential
Athleticism 90 Average   Perimeter 29 High
Speed 62 Low   Ball Handling 60 Average
Rebounding 15 Low   Passing 23 High
Defense 86 Average   Stamina 75 Average
Shot Blocking 1 Low   Durability 28 Low
Low-post 38 Low   FT Shooting   High

1/27/2012 1:21 PM
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1/27/2012 2:04 PM
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Yeah, based on that, I would say 1 unless you really need a SF.  I think 2 could actually be a pretty useful mid-major SF, especially if there is 15+ left in reb.
1/27/2012 2:12 PM
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what about this guy:

  Current
Rating		 Potential     Current
Rating		 Potential
Athleticism 77 Average   Perimeter 72 Low
Speed 74 Low   Ball Handling 61 Low
Rebounding 3 Low   Passing 29 High
Defense 51 High   Stamina 70 High
Shot Blocking 1 Low   Durability 72 High
Low-post 11 Average   FT Shooting   Average
1/27/2012 2:50 PM
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i still like #1  he's going to be a lot more versatile and isnt really going to be all that much weaker on defense, especially if this guy is just normal high defense
1/27/2012 2:56 PM
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Given that def is based on a combination of ath/def/spd/sb (although as we know sb doesn't play much of a role for guards), I DO think the def difference will be somewhat significant.

Player 1's best case is probably something like 75/95/60 while 3's is 90/75/75 (assuming low/high).  Defensively, I think the ath modifier is a big deal.  He won't get as many steals, and he may pick up a couple extra fouls, but I'll be he holds opposing guards to a somewhat significantly lower shooting %, and I think he matches up much better against Big 6 guards defensively. 

That said, obviously he won't be as good offensively.  Again, kind of depends on your philosophy.  I'm a defensive guy and it's served me really well in the new engine.  It's easy to stay in the game against a superior team when you're holding the other team to 42%-45% shooting every night.  I guess my thought about mid-major D1 comes down to this: if you're a good enough coach with a good enough team (which you are and will have), then you don't even worry about competing with other mid-majors because you know you'll beat them regardless who you put out there.  So the question is how to compete once you get to the NT.  For me, you have a better chance of competing with an elite defensive lineup over a bunch of guys with 85-90 bh/pass. 

Just my .02.
1/27/2012 3:13 PM
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Nobody is suggesting to have an entire lineup of the same type of player, but he's already got two guys coming in who will really excel on the defensive end, and while #1 may not be AS strong defensively as #3 he's not a complete turnstile either.  I think the potential offense he brings to the mix (would be helpful to know if hes high high in per or not)  trumps the deficit on the defensive side of the ball.

If you just want to compete with the Big 6 schools then you can probably do that with a full team of defensive players that can't put the ball in the ocean.  If you want to actually win a few of those games then you need enough guys that can play very good to great defense to combine with enough guys that play passable D1 defense but can score a few baskets too. 

The reality of this game is there is more than one way to build your team to be successful, and to that extent I agree with you 100% when you said it really comes down to what you need to make the entire puzzle come together.
1/27/2012 4:00 PM
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I'm gonna take the plunge on #1, although I think #3 is better for my team. I already offered #1 a scholarship before I found #3 and I'm a little leery to pull the scholarship and possibly having to recruit #1 after I get potentials for both players. 
1/27/2012 4:12 PM
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You're right to note that it would be nice to know whether 1's per is high/high.  Because I think the current 16 ath/29 per advantage (and despite the current 6-point speed disadvantage) makes it likely he will better offensive scorer despite the high per for 1.  Question is, of course, how much you value bh in scoring.  I don't know, I would take 3.  I think he'll be more ready to play at a younger age, he'll be the better defensive player, and he won't be a significantly worse scorer. 

Then again, if you're looking for a PG, take 1 no question.  But I do disagree to some extent with bow that a 70-75/90-95/60 guard playing man-to-man in D1 is adequate.  "Turnstyle?"  No.  But he will get used by Big 6 guards, in my opinion. 

Again, my take is that you can always stay in the game with an upper-tier defense.  And one of the major contributing qualities to that is ath, which necessarily means you will have that on the offensive side, too.  Again, just my opinion, and I haven't played mid-level D1 in awhile, so maybe my opinion means nothing.  But I doubt the engine (although more difficult to recruit etc.) is different in D1.

1/27/2012 4:14 PM
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Ok, #1 Per is high-high. Spent rest of my money on evals. Guess signing him was the right choice. 
1/27/2012 5:06 PM
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athleticism alone is enough to make you a scorer at D3 and even D2.  i don't think it's enough on it's own at D1 when you're dealing with elite defenders.

the reality at a mid major is you don't (or i should say rarely) get studs at both ends as they are mostly gobbled up by the big boys so you've got to have guys that compliment each other.  i've had, i think anyway, above average low to mid level D1 success and have relied on several players like #1 to help me score enough points to make an upset actually happen.  very rarely did they get "used", and once in a while they actually outplayed the guys they were matched up against.  sometimes it was a matter of using double teams or getting creative in other ways defensively.

gotta have those guys that are defensive stalwarts too, no doubt about it but at the d1 level i just dont subscribe to the defense is enough strategy, unless youre just trying to hang around and not get blown out.
1/27/2012 5:06 PM
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