Addie Joss and other Deadball pitchers Topic

You may be right, which is why I'm on here trying to get some answers. It's usually '05, '06 or '08 Joss

My current team is 30-34 and they are probably 1-10 against Joss and other deadball pitchers.

I tried to stock up the top of my order with high contact/2bs left handed or switch hitters but, we still lose to these guys 2-1, 2-0, 3-0 etc. etc.

I'll keep trying.
1/24/2012 1:14 PM

Just look at it like this: Although its ridiculous to build a team in order to beat one particular pitcher, but in all reality, being that at least half of the playoff teams will likely have 08 Joss on their staffs, it would be foolish not to take this into consideration if you have aspirations for the playoffs.  Therefore, you draft accordingly, and not only have some good hitters in your lineup, but at least one starting pitcher who is at or near Joss' level, because IMO, when it comes to the playoffs, its generally all about the pitching.  You can have all of the hitters you want, but the team with the better pitching is more likely to win.    

1/24/2012 4:17 PM

'08 Joss is usually among the top pitchers in any league he is in, with good reason. He is tough to beat, as are some of DBera contemporaries. All top pitchers are tough to beat, but i would suggest your particular frustration stems from your teams not being as good as you might like them to be. You have been offered some very wise tips in this thread, consider those ideas carefully. Do you "shoot yourself in the foot" by being too aggressive on the basepaths, or intentionally walking too many hitters? Do you look at your opponent's defense, and use the bunt to take advantage of poor defenders he may have at the corners? I'm not accusing you of bad management, because I simply do not know, but I am saying that against the very best pitchers in the history of baseball, it behooves us to look for any edge we can find, and remove any edge we are giving away. But, under any circumstances, he is tough to beat. And it is a very rare team in any OL who does not have a couple of excellent right handed pitchers, you might as well have a loaded lineup to face them.

1/25/2012 1:02 PM (edited)
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While Joss is pretty ubiquitous, I don't understand people complaining about seeing him all the time, without complaining about Pedro and Maddux as well.  I'm in a 1930-2011 league, and pretty much every pitching staff includes them.  The pitching leaderboard is almost 100% dominated by those two.  In any league with a reasonable salary cap there's almost no reason not to use them.  I'm not actually complaining myself, I just don't see the Joss hatred as warranted. I realise he's a bigger value for his IP/salary than the other two, but I find they tend to dominate far more.

Shrug. It is what it is.
1/30/2012 11:06 AM
Greg and Pedro my dominate certain stats in the reg season.  But 08 Joss is every bit their equal in a 5 or 7 game series and can pitch more often.
1/30/2012 11:54 AM
In addition, there are certain parks that Greg and Pedro might not be so great in. Whereas you can pitch Joss in pretty much any park with good success.
1/30/2012 11:56 AM
I disagree strongly with both of those posts.  First of all, every game is simulated in exactly the same way.  Just because in your relatively limited personal experience (limited not compared to me but to the entire universe of SLB) it might have seemed that Joss suddenly performs better in the postseason or Maddux and Pedro perfrom worse you cannot assume there is any statistical reason why that should be the case.  In reality if Maddux and Pedro are better pitchers - and I think they are, although probably not proportionately to the salary difference - they're better in the playoffs as well.  Yes, Joss can likely pitch a game or 2 more during a WS run, and this is a legitimate point, but he also pitched more during the regular season.  I don't think this argument holds water at all.

Also, there is no park Maddux can't pitch in.  In fact, if anything there are some parks - extreme + hit parks - that I'd be slightly more hesitant to pitch Joss in.  There's nowhere that I'd think twice about starting '94 or '95 Maddux.  Pedro, yes, is going to become pretty tater-prone in Coors or AFC, but his ability to minimize hits better than any other starter in the game by a healthy margin is all the more valuable in those parks.  The only place I might try not to start Pedro if I had some flexibility in the matter would be a park like the Kingdome where his strengths are minimized and his weakness is still exacerbated.
1/30/2012 3:03 PM
First and foremost, as mixtroy said...draft Joss! If he is beating you all the time, you have to figure he will in turn beat your opponent when he pitchers for you.  I also like zubinsom's comment...advice is very good and keeps it simple.  I don't have a lot of experience drafting guys that hit triples, but doubles play very well. 
2/3/2012 10:25 PM
I agree, draft Joss or one of the many other strong pitchers at your disposal.  Performance history says that Joss wins Just short of 70 percent of his games. But he's not winning 70 percent of his games against good teams.  He's probably winning over 85 percent of his games against horrible teams, which would make the inverse or the reciprocal true as well, in that he's not winning even 60 percent of his games against the very good teams. Also, pitching your Ace twice in a three game series against rivals and good teams, and your worst starter twice in a three game series against extremely bad teams, is a good way to maximize efficiency. Don't waste your Ace against a team that's 15-55 when you can pitch him twice against a Joss wielding playoff rival.
2/3/2012 11:46 PM
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