I'm rebuilding, thus I will be trasnferiing money from pro payroll to prospect payroll. I always seem to have not quite 2mil after Im done with coaches to transfer. My questions is this.

Wouldn't it be wiser to just alot 20mil for coaches, and transfer the remaining amount to prospects after coaches have signed. this could help reduce the risk of having 1-1,999,999 of untransferable cash.

Thoughts? I also am asking this to see if I can transfer money from coaches directly to prospects or does it have to go back to players then to prospects so that I take a double 50% loss on my money.
3/13/2012 6:18 AM
What if you have $3,999,999 of leftover cash after coach hiring?  Then you still have the same problem.
3/13/2012 6:56 AM
Thanks for the useless answer as I could transfer 2mil thus it would only be 1.99mil leftover. The point is that it puts the odds in my favor of having a lower amount of less-trasnferable money (as it provides more wiggle room) unless I'm missing something very obvious here.

3/13/2012 7:47 AM (edited)
If I am looking to transfer money to prospect, I usually allocate more to coaches.  And yes you can go straight from coach to prospect.
3/13/2012 7:52 AM
As for the having 1.9 mil left over, that can usually be avoided if you are looking out for it.
3/13/2012 7:54 AM
Posted by stevehoggett on 3/13/2012 7:47:00 AM (view original):
Thanks for the useless answer as I could transfer 2mil thus it would only be 1.99mil leftover. The point is that it puts the odds in my favor of having a lower amount of less-trasnferable money (as it provides more wiggle room) unless I'm missing something very obvious here.

And thank you for your snarky response.

My point was . . . if you throw $20m into the coaching budget to start with, and you have in excess of $2m left over, you still have to pay the 50% transfer fee.  So if you budget $20 and only spend $16,000,001, you're left with $3,999,999.  $1,999,999 is "lost" as untransferrable and unusable.  But of the other $2m, you're still losing $1m as a fee.  Something you wouldn't have lost had you correctly budgeted $17m or $18m to begin with.

Budgeting for coach hiring is not rocket science.  If you have transferable money left over at the end, you were either very lucky (or unlucky), or you screwed up.

3/13/2012 8:32 AM (edited)
You can budget as much as you want in coaching. The trick is correctly picking an odd or even number if you're planning on transfering as you'll want an even 4mil or 6mil or 8mil left over. You don't lose any extra transfer fees by transfering from coaching rather than payroll, so I'm not sure what Tec is talking about.
3/13/2012 8:51 AM
Thanks,

I have a clearer idea of what to do now.
3/13/2012 9:20 AM

From the "Budget Transfer" page:

Important Information Regarding Budget Transfers:
  • Transfers may only occur after arbitration hearings have concluded.
  • 50% of your transferred amount is forfeited.
  • There must be a $2M surplus to transfer excess budget money from that department.
  • You must maintain at least $6M in your prospect budget or sign 15 prospects from your amateur draft.
  • You cannot transfer money to coaches after the coach hiring process.
  • The remaining minimum required to hire all of your coaches is included in the "used" column.
  • Please remember that player promotions, waiver acquisitions and trades can cost you in player salary, so don't wipe out your entire player payroll budget prematurely.
3/13/2012 9:22 AM
I don't get why people would want the extra money in coach payroll?

I transfer a ton of money into prospects (usually I get my prospect above 30M), and I do it all from player payroll. I just think it's way more flexible. If you have a ton of extra money in coaches, the only thing that's useful for is prospect payroll. But if you stick the extra money into player payroll you have more options.

For example, say my payroll budget is set at 80M, but my "true" payroll (of guys actually signed under contract) is only 66. So I could potentially get to 27M for an IFA. That big IFA comes along that I want and I get him for 24M, which means I needed to transfer 8M from payroll to prospects. Which means I have 6M surplus left. I could use that to get another 3M into IFA, but usually that's not going to get an ML-caliber player. So I take a look at the "leftover" FAs. There's often a couple guys out there that weren't worth the 5M they were asking for initially, but have now dropped down to around 1M a piece, but everybody has already filled their roster. So you can sign them to 3-5 year deals at well below market-value and improve your bench in future seasons, especially if you front-load the contracts as much as possible. 

It just doesn't really make any sense to me why people would rather have surplus coach payroll rather than surplus player payroll.

Generally speaking, I either set my coach payroll to 7M (if my fielding instructor is coming back) or 11/12M if I need to replace my FI. In time, I think most owners arrive at a pretty similar conclusion with kind of 2 or maybe 3 sort of "defaults" based on what coaches are coming back. As tec mentioned, if you have to transfer money out of coaches, you either screwed up or got outbid on an expensive coach (usually a FI) at the end and got stuck with a cheap scrub.
3/13/2012 8:18 PM
If you're going to transfer a lot of money into prospect anyway, why does it matter if the first that you transfer comes from coach?  You'll still have lots in player to play with, but meanwhile you gave yourself more versatility in hiring coaches.  Having said that, I invariably spend 7-8 mil on coaches if I'm keeping my FI, and 11-12 if I need a new FI.
3/13/2012 8:26 PM
shobob,

Did you read my post? The point is that you can't predict exactly how much you will spend on IFA.

The extra money doesn't truly give you extra flexibility in hiring coaches, because coaches are hired before IFAs are signed. So you can't sign an IFA, see that you didn't need that extra 4M, and then go get a better AA pitching coach. But you can leave that extra money in player payroll and use that for roster flexibility as the season goes along. I mentioned signing a leftover FA long-term and frontloading the contract, but you can also use that payroll flexibility to sign injury stopgaps, and having extra cap space can open up trade opportunities as well. I would say that in 1/4 of seasons, there is usually controversy because an owner trades a decent (but not Type A) player whose deal is expiring for pennies on the dollar because only 1 team actually had the cap space to get him.

So there are some small, but not unimportant advantages to transferring out of player payroll as much as possible. I don't see any advantages of doing it out of coach payroll other than that it allows you to spend more than you planned on your coaches- which might not be a good thing.
3/13/2012 8:33 PM

Search Criteria

Terms of Use Customer Support Privacy Statement

© 1999-2026 WhatIfSports.com, Inc. All rights reserved. WhatIfSports is a trademark of WhatIfSports.com, Inc. SimLeague, SimMatchup and iSimNow are trademarks or registered trademarks of Electronic Arts, Inc. Used under license. The names of actual companies and products mentioned herein may be the trademarks of their respective owners.