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postplayer28
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I'm an experienced Div2 coach following the "stay close to home"  recruiting advice that we read so often. My school is in Florida so I use the star search for my home state only, and recruit only players my asisstant coach (scout) says; "will be Div2 All-American ", could play at Div1 level with a redshirt year"? Overall ratings of some of these are not particularly high, however? Is a  465 rated kid likely to equal a 500 kid at careers end?, and do you think that on the whole this advice is good?
4/23/2012 2:07 PM
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Posted by postplayer28 on 4/23/2012 2:07:00 PM (view original):
I'm an experienced Div2 coach following the "stay close to home"  recruiting advice that we read so often. My school is in Florida so I use the star search for my home state only, and recruit only players my asisstant coach (scout) says; "will be Div2 All-American ", could play at Div1 level with a redshirt year"? Overall ratings of some of these are not particularly high, however? Is a  465 rated kid likely to equal a 500 kid at careers end?, and do you think that on the whole this advice is good?
I completely ignore that line and assume most other coaches do as well. It's really just telling you that he's a pulldown player rather than at your level already. Also, I never factor overall rating into my evaluation of a player, only the core ratings combined with work ethic and potential. The main uses for the scouting trips are to tell if a high potential is high-high or low-high, which can be the difference between a player gaining 25 in a category and gaining 50+ points in a category.  
4/23/2012 2:13 PM
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http://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?TopicID=453763&TopicsTimeframe=30&TopicsPage=2  highly recommend this thread for you
4/23/2012 2:15 PM
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I don't know why someone would only recruit their own state?  My D2 team is in a huge state (Texas) that costs me around $1200 to scout but I still buy FSS reports for surrounding states that have players I think I might be interested in.

If I could only scout Texas, I would feel like I was driving in the dark with no headlights.  Granted, just about all of my players are Texans but not always.

4/23/2012 2:32 PM
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I generally scout all of the states that fall within the magic 360 mile radius. This might not be completely doable at DIII depending on your location, but at DII and DI you should have plenty of money. From there I have a fairly simple spreadsheet to calculate the projected ratings of players, and then I use those projected ratings and my own ratings formula to rank the players I have scouted. This usually gives me a pretty good list of guys to go after, most of which are pulldowns and the DIII and DII level. From there its just standard boiler plate recruiting unless battles come up.
4/23/2012 2:44 PM
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I would not scout states without looking at the recruits there first - especially smaller states.  Sometimes, you can look at a state and say that there is no one there who would be interesting even IF the guy has darn good potentials.  Or, you can say that there is no one there who you would have any chance of getting and who is worth getting.

You also need to consider where your recruting competition is.  For example, when I coach Maryland I do not even scout North Carolina except very very rarely - yes, it is within 360 but I am unlikely in the extreme to go down there and fight the Carolina schools - so why scout....

4/23/2012 3:08 PM
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Posted by ethan66 on 4/23/2012 2:32:00 PM (view original):
I don't know why someone would only recruit their own state?  My D2 team is in a huge state (Texas) that costs me around $1200 to scout but I still buy FSS reports for surrounding states that have players I think I might be interested in.

If I could only scout Texas, I would feel like I was driving in the dark with no headlights.  Granted, just about all of my players are Texans but not always.

I do this from my Tarleton State team and scout Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, New Mexico as a base.

Last year I also scouted Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Utah, Kansas, and Arkansas.

Some states were a waste of money.

Others helped me find some players that will be pretty good.     
4/23/2012 4:41 PM
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Can you guys afford to scout all those states at D3 as well?

4/23/2012 5:57 PM
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Posted by salag on 4/23/2012 5:57:00 PM (view original):

Can you guys afford to scout all those states at D3 as well?

After signings, sure
4/23/2012 6:10 PM
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You can do it before signings if you have at least 3 openings...  I used to sometimes scout NY, Pennsylvania, and 3 New England states at D3...  Then more human coaches moved into New England and it stopped being worth it.
4/23/2012 6:21 PM
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how do you tell easily where there are lots of human coaches vs. sims?
4/23/2012 9:29 PM
usc4life
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There really isn't an easy way (that I know of at least). I guess you could go to rankings then RPI by school and sort by conference, which would tell you the number of simAI schools, but you would still have to manually click each team to see exactly where its located
4/24/2012 12:07 AM
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