No 1 recruit playing extremely hard to get Topic

wedgeva
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I'm new at this, and I am having a tough time getting my 1st draft pick signed, and I don't want to lose him.

I've increased the signing bonus about 7 times from what was originally, $3.5 million to $9 million.

Everytime I increase it, I get the same message that the offer is fair, but it would really make my folks happy if I went to college, though it would make me happy to play pro ball. I'll need some time to consider it.

Do I keep upping the ante (though the ante isn't limitless), or should I wait for this idiot to make up his mind?
 
The help guide isn't much help as it more or less says that I should take my queue from what the recruit is saying.

Any help would be appreciated as I'm running out of time!
6/12/2012 8:40 PM (edited)
lccooler
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Stop increasing your offer. Go back to his original offer and leave it because increasing it does nothing. He will either sign, increase his demands, or refuse to sign. If he increases his demands he'll tell you.  There is nothing else you can do to influence his decision.
6/12/2012 8:40 PM
txchilidog
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ahhhh no you shouldn't have moved your offer up from $3.5. The offer will sit until it is either accepted, rejected, or the player specifically asks for more money. If the player never increases his demands, you should NEVER increase your offer. The worst thing that could happen is he opts to go to college and you get a type D pick next season.
6/12/2012 8:41 PM
dlmose
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From FAQ: "In order to receive the compensation pick you must offer the player his initial demands, he must refuse to sign, and you must never withdraw your offer to the draft pick at any time." The operative words being NEVER and ANY TIME. I may be mistaken, but I think when you up the offer you must withdraw the original and submit a new one, which means if he doesn't sign you will lose the 'D' pick as well.
6/12/2012 9:25 PM
wedgeva
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Hey guys! this is very helpful to say the least, I wish I known this sooner. I went back and changed the offer to its original terms, hopefully I didn't muck up everything. All I can do now is hope he takes the offer! Thanks again--a hard lesson learned!

6/12/2012 9:35 PM
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You'll be fine.  He'll either accept or reject that offer.  If he rejects it, you'll get type D compensation.  I don't know why they have it worded that "you must never withdraw your offer".  I don't see why withdrawing your offer and re-offering at the original amount demanded should matter.  Anyhoo, post here about what happens to you in the end.
6/12/2012 11:42 PM
chuckster
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Don't hit the withdraw button, just re-offer at the amount asked for
6/13/2012 10:22 AM
indiansrck27
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Posted by shobob on 6/12/2012 11:42:00 PM (view original):
You'll be fine.  He'll either accept or reject that offer.  If he rejects it, you'll get type D compensation.  I don't know why they have it worded that "you must never withdraw your offer".  I don't see why withdrawing your offer and re-offering at the original amount demanded should matter.  Anyhoo, post here about what happens to you in the end.
Just to add on:

There are 2 "rejects'.

One reject you can offer a new contrcat at his new demands and he will sign the very next cycle.

If you get the red X however he will not sign at all.
6/13/2012 3:08 PM
a_ersberg
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You'll get the money offered returned if he doesnt sign.  You're not just throwing the money away.
6/14/2012 8:37 AM
taz21
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There is also the situations where a guy says he's going to college (or the pros or wherever) and that is that, you never get another chance to offer him a contract and the situations where a guy says "sorry I'm heading to college or pro football or whatever" however, when you click on the negotiation button, it still allows you to offer him his original demands.  If that is the case, and you really want to sign him, offer him again his original demands and wait him out.  he may be willing to sign at that point, or he may still opt to not sign.  If he opts not to sign, offer him his original demands again, and play the waiting game.  I once went 5 or 6 cycles thru that process before I finally got the #3 pick to agree to sign at a higher rate (11.0 mil+ bonus).

I believe (but could be wrong) the only guys who won't allow you to re-offer them their initial demands after their original rejections are guys who have their mother listed as their agent.  If they have an outside agent, I believe you can always re-offer his initial demands and play out the cycle (which can take up to a week in real life)  Given enough time, I believe any draft pick will eventually sign, its just a matter of the % odds of him signing finally falling in your favor.

6/14/2012 10:38 AM
wedgeva
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Update: I lucked out! He signed! It took him forever, but he signed. Thanks for all the advice. I definitely won't make this mistake again!
6/18/2012 10:06 PM
Crump123
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Posted by shobob on 6/12/2012 11:42:00 PM (view original):
You'll be fine.  He'll either accept or reject that offer.  If he rejects it, you'll get type D compensation.  I don't know why they have it worded that "you must never withdraw your offer".  I don't see why withdrawing your offer and re-offering at the original amount demanded should matter.  Anyhoo, post here about what happens to you in the end.
I think they're trying to say, you mustn't withdraw your bid, before the player makes a Yay or Nay decision. Otherwise you could offer terms, he sits on it thinking, you withdraw it, he never actually decides, so you get no compensation pick.
6/19/2012 4:19 AM
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