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This Dude is average 13.5  points per game on like 52% shooting.   He's playing 2 guard on a Big East team.   My schedule isn't top 20 in the country but it doesn't suck either.    I know he has a reasonably high ATH but he isn't ELITE for high DI, he isn't fast, and his BH, LP and PER are all pedestrian.   He does get to the line but that's only about 4 points per game.  For the life of me I don't get why this guy is an effective (and efficient) scorer.
 
9/27/2012 11:02 AM
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have no idea, I'd have his distro at 1, with his LP/Per/BH combo, he just doesn't seem like he should be an efficient scorer. Maybe the FB/Press is getting him a lot of easy shots?  
9/27/2012 12:10 PM
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That's my thought.  Couple that with 91 stam and he's probably in against underclassmen backups for a few minutes per game, too.
9/27/2012 12:23 PM
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I keep moving his disto up and he keeps getting better.....  he dropped 27 on a pretty good Pitt team last night (albeit on 45% shooting).
9/27/2012 12:32 PM
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Decent Ath/Spd/Bh and an LP over 35 in a guard at DII will give you a very effective scorer in a FB or Motion offense.  I'd assume over 45 LP at DI (and his is 55).  His 64 PER is nothing special, especially at DI, but a lethal combination that can take over the world when combined.  I'd keep at -2, and keep feeding him.  50%+ shooting, plus foul drawing = groovy
9/27/2012 12:46 PM
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I understand at DI in the Big East it's probably more competitive, and perhaps I'm naive, but I look at a guy like that and say "wow, his ath/spd combo is good so that's why he's scoring".

I know I'd gladly take that guy on my DI team and if he was there his distro would be pretty high unless I had reason in the game plan to do otherwise.  In fact, he'd easily be my best player. Maybe that shows my team isn't good, but it also could show might be taking his skills for granted.

Sometimes all it takes is giving the guy some distro to see what he can do.

9/27/2012 12:47 PM
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Bistiza, I have a guy on my WVU team that last season was 100ath/81sp/100per/75lp/72bh and was my second option and shot 43% from the field. This season my starting guards were the same guy and the other was at 88ath/90sp, just to show what ath/sp combos can look at in D1. I also didn't even make the NT.  
9/27/2012 1:41 PM
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I've learned three things from that:

First, I know very little about elite DI teams - which I suspected before since I have one DI team which I'm simply trying to turn around.

Second, good talent at DI seems to matter less than at DII and DIII. Otherwise, if you have talent in the right areas, you should be able to go far with a bit of coaching and game planning. From what you're telling me, the skills don't always translate to success.

Third, it would seem I don't want to be a part of any schools higher than where I am now, which are lower level DI, DII, and DIII. I don't want to waste my time recruiting for talent and game planning to find there's so much talent everywhere else it doesn't matter.

9/27/2012 2:28 PM
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Second, good talent at DI seems to matter less than at DII and DIII.

That statement isn't even remotely accurate.
9/27/2012 2:35 PM
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Posted by kmasonbx on 9/27/2012 12:10:00 PM (view original):
have no idea, I'd have his distro at 1, with his LP/Per/BH combo, he just doesn't seem like he should be an efficient scorer. Maybe the FB/Press is getting him a lot of easy shots?  
that lp/per is plenty good enough to be an efficient scorer in fb.

fb is the only offense that is really significantly different from the others, and i think that is why so many people don't like it. its really a lot different. arguably the most efficient scorer ive had in my d1 career (which is saying something), was a 70 ath, 99 spd, 48 per, 100 bh, a+ ft guard with high sta who killed it for me in my fb/zone CSUN team here in tark. he was like 24 ppg very efficiently, and even in the big games, he rocked it. should have been NPOY but he got robbed. we lost in the elite 8 with our team of 65 ath, 95 reb, 90 def type bigs and similar schmucks by 3 points, against a sully/gtown team as talented as any in the nation, with 9 of the top 10 talented players on his team (and probably the top 7-8 by normal standards - but i'd take my guy over some of his elite players, because he was so well suited to the system). im telling you, this guy KILLED it for us. probably the most profound player ive ever had - not the kind of guy you expect to kill it. i mean, i recruited him to lead my team - but i didnt expect him to be the most amazing player ive ever had.
9/27/2012 2:57 PM (edited)
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Posted by bistiza on 9/27/2012 2:28:00 PM (view original):

I've learned three things from that:

First, I know very little about elite DI teams - which I suspected before since I have one DI team which I'm simply trying to turn around.

Second, good talent at DI seems to matter less than at DII and DIII. Otherwise, if you have talent in the right areas, you should be able to go far with a bit of coaching and game planning. From what you're telling me, the skills don't always translate to success.

Third, it would seem I don't want to be a part of any schools higher than where I am now, which are lower level DI, DII, and DIII. I don't want to waste my time recruiting for talent and game planning to find there's so much talent everywhere else it doesn't matter.

have you played d1 in the last 5 years? im guessing not... at least, not with any success! no offense, of course, but i cant imagine someone who played d1 making this statement.

and what do you mean? in the last part? you dont want to be part of schools higher than yours, which includes d1, d2, and d3? do you play d4 (is that the fantasy world within the simulated world ;)? im lost.
9/27/2012 2:48 PM
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note, my superstar on that CSUN fb team had like no lp to go with his 48 per... 
9/27/2012 2:56 PM
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Probably the coaching making him so good. 
9/28/2012 11:21 AM
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Maybe it's the PG that's passing him the ball.
9/28/2012 11:27 AM
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Neither the PG nor the coach are any good either...

Take a look at my Rutgers team and tell me how good you think it is.  I'll do it for you, it isn't.

I really think that the Fast Break uses different rules than the other offenses.   I am starting to think SPD (or team speed differential) is used as a stat multiplier similar to ATH in the other offenses.  


9/28/2012 11:40 AM
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