The money you get from an elite conf is to much to not take it

Quote: Originally Posted By brianp87 on 10/06/2009
The money you get from an elite conf is to much to not take it

Both schools are Big 6 schools, so that's not a factor in the decision.

he's already in a big 6 conference brian.

i would probably look at location and what the respective rivals schools are like for each school. also, if the elite is a better long-term gig, i would probably move. but if its a wash, i would probably leave it be and stay.

Do you ever get the feeling some people post just to make themselves heard?

If you're in a Big 6 conference already and you have built your prestige to "A" or "A-", there is no reason, based on the school, you can't already be an NT contender.

Thus, it's really just a personal choice based on what you prefer.

Quote: Originally Posted By professor17 on 10/06/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By brianp87 on 10/06/2009
The money you get from an elite conf is to much to not take it

Both schools are Big 6 schools, so that's not a factor in the decision.

Sorry. then yes at that presitge you should be able to compete with the big guys and be a constant contender

Quote: Originally Posted By cmthieme on 10/06/2009
If you're in a Big 6 conference already and you have built your prestige to "A" or "A-", there is no reason, based on the school, you can't already be an NT contender.

Thus, it's really just a personal choice based on what you prefer.

Agreed

Which big six school are you considering leaving ok st for?

For me, it would depend on the location of the schools and if I could move to a more fruitful recruiting area.

Sure, playing in the Pac-10 is fun, but recruiting from Washington or Washington State typically sucks and I'd look to leave a school like that if I could find a more consistent pipeline of players.

It's a personal preference, no doubt. If you think it's the right thing to do, you probably wouldn't be questioning it. And it really comes down to what your ultimate goals are.

As for being 'stuck' at an A-, that's really a chicken/egg concept. Are you stuck at an A- prestige because you haven't been able to land good recruits? Have you had trouble getting the recruits because your conference as a whole wasn't earning enough money? This is something that only you are really going to know the answer to.

If you're a good coach now, you should be a good coach there. And you know whether or not you're a good coach.

Ask yourself a simple question, if both schools could only achieve an A- and be a contender, who would I prefer to coach? Factor everything in, including the school, the conference the coaches in the conference.

I agree with the above that it is basically a personal choice. One factor not yet mentioned is whether the open school is in the same conference or not. If it is in the same conference and another coach takes it over and builds it up then it becomes a tougher school to beat than it is now.

I just went through this process in Naismith this past season. After finally creating a winner at Clemson after many seasons I was open to Mich. St. and Ok. State which I believe both have better "baseline" prestige than Clemson. I was going to jump because my prestige after a 20 win season, ranking, Elite 8 and conf. championship only bumped me from a B to a B+ and i was ******. I felt I was being hamstrung by the baseline prestige issue and its tough enough to compete in the ACC.

After the anger wore off, I decided to stay because I was attached to the program, have some decent talent coming back and really like the other coaches in the conference. It was awfully tempting though. Anyway, that's my story.

professor, I made that exact move awhile back in Allen. I'd built up NW to the point that we were the strongest team in the Big Ten (7 straight NT's, 6 of the 7 years with an rpi of 14 or better).

After a few exchanges with CS regarding the limits of prestige at that time (this was before floating prestige), I decided to take the job at Michigan State, which was in shambles. Never had a human coach, coming off (I think) a 3-win season and I had to legit DI players on the roster.

But I felt it would be worth it over the long haul, and it was.

I'm not 100% sure I would've made the same decision if floating prestige had been in place. I probably would've because MSU still enjoys some clear inherent advantages over NW. (That's also as extreme a Big 6 example as you can get, with NW being at the very bottom of BCS schools and MSU being near the very top.) It's also pretty satisfying to totally rebuild a team (if you can withstand the first couple seasons of suckitude).

Reading namshub's post, I wouldn't have Clemson for OK State, though possibly for MSU. ACC is also the strongest conference in most worlds, so that extra recruiting money is pretty darn nice (though I'm sure he'll point out that recruiting next to UNC and Duke isn't, lol).