I was looking at my teams Range Factors. The season just strted so they are all a little wild.

I wasn wondering if anyone knew of someone who tried to make a more all encompasing stat, that would take DPs into account. Something like [A+P+(DP*3)-(E*4)]*9/innings played?

There's a rating called Zone Rating that's based on the actual percentage of outs made on all "playable" balls based on some STATS Inc data. It's not used in HBD, but would take into account the DP as you're suggesting. Keep in mind though, that a DP already results in an assist and a putout for the guy "turning" it.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/stats3.shtml

See link for a brief description

not to argue, but what do double plays really have to do with defensive ability?

they certainly have noting to do with "range," not that the ranger factor stat has much to do with range itself

I dont know if it means much in HBD, but in real life it shows how quick an infielders hands are.

It MIGHT show that, but I'd have to believe it is going to be heavily influenced, if not driven, by opportunity - runners on base while leadfooted runners hit ground balls.

Yeah, a couple of quick handed IF will roll the two when a speedster hits a dribbler.

Quote: Originally posted by jwendt on 10/19/2009There's a rating called Zone Rating that's based on the actual percentage of outs made on all "playable" balls based on some STATS Inc data. It's not used in HBD, but would take into account the DP as you're suggesting. Keep in mind though, that a DP already results in an assist and a putout for the guy "turning" it.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/stats3.shtml

See link for a brief description

Something like ZR should be doable in HBD -- just define a 'playable' ball as one that would have been gotten to by a defender with 100/100/100/100 ratings.

Quote: Originally Posted By 98greenc5 on 10/19/2009
not to argue, but what do double plays really have to do with defensive ability?

they certainly have noting to do with "range," not that the ranger factor stat has much to do with range itself

You can argue luck, but I think DP ratings show a good defense. A bad player in a good system might benefit, so you may be right.

DP numbers mostly show opportunities. A pitcher that lets runners on base and gives up ground balls will have a defense that turns double plays.

In my short history with HD, there are far too many double plays being turned, by all teams. Unrealistic when you compare DP total in an HD league vs. real life teams.

over the last 3 years, the MLB averages about 1.6 GIDP per game (.8 per team per game) ... from the HBD snapshot page, HBD averages 1.74 GIDB per game

so HBD has about 1 extra GIDP per 7 games, or 1 extra GIDP per 14 team games ... doesn't seem unrealistic to me

Offense seems to be higher in HBD, as the pitching development doesn't get the attention that offense does. Check out the averages in most leagues (and yes, that would give more opportunities for DPs).

How important is range for a catcher? I have a catcher with 28/81/76/67 factors for glove,arm strength,accuracy, and pitch calling. His range is a 3. His current/projected position is DH. Except for the range rating he'd be one of the better catchers in the league.