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14 games back at 46 games in? That seems pretty outrageous

I can't tell what you are giving up but be careful - pitcher #2 is a big injury risk, pitcher #3's control is bad and #1 has weak splits. I can't tell their ages because the links didn't work for me. Don't give up anything for good for them, in my opinion.

how do you get the links to work?

and yeah, 14 games back, 46 games in. The owner that is currently leading the division won like 130 games last season.

Quote: Originally posted by strikeout26 on 10/19/2009how do you get the links to work?

Knock the extra "http://" off the front end

I think the proposed deal is the 1B Goya for Pitcher #1 (mistakenly linked to Goya), Pitcher #2 Moore, and Pitcher #3 Karnuth, right?

Don't do it...it's a bad deal for you.

Pitcher #1 isn't a major league pitcher even if he reaches his projections (most players fall somewhat short) - his splits are just too low to be effective.

Moore would be a no go even if he was good (he isn't) because of the 36 Health rating. If you check his card you'll see that he's been on the DL at least once every season. His control and splits are too low for him to be good in the majors, and he's not going to get better (he's in his 6th pro season: generally speaking, development slows in the 4th year and slows a lot in the 5th year. There can be gains after that - especially for pitchers - but we're talking a point ayear in one or 2 categories. Nothing big).

Karnuth is in his 4th season and has 34 control - it'll probably never top 38. I've had a P have a good season with 44 control, but he also had both splits in the high 70's. Karnuth may reach 63-64 at best on splits.

Shop around some more. Goya's a pretty good 1B - you can get much better value for him than this offer (which is basically 3 minor leaguers, which is basically nothing). Look for contending teams who are weak at 1B or DH. Contenders get a little looser with the offers of prospects as the deadline approaches, so you might hold off until then. Generally speaking (there are exceptions), offers of multiple "prospects" are attempts to make up in quantity what's lacking in quality (the offer you have here is Exhibit A). Target one (1) prospect that looks like a pretty sure bet to be a major leaguer of about the quality of the veteran you're offering. If you can find a good prospect in an organization that has a young player at his position at the ML level, the owner might be more willing to make a deal.

yeah, thats what i was weary of. the three players would never even get a cup ofg coffee at the big league level, but i was wondering how hard it would be to get anything for an aging guy in a large contract.

Seems like you're trading Goya for Goya

Dude, he's 30. He's not aging. And 6.75 million, that's not the worst. That guy will be fine until 33 or 34 as long as your training budget is high, and don't let people tell you otherwise.

Yeah, Goya is a good 1B. No need to trade him unless someone wants to knock your socks off

I don't like any of the three "prospects." Better to get one very good prospect -- preferably a SP, SS, 2B or CF.

You should always be patient when trading vets. Let it be known a guy is available and see what you are offered, but also contact owners or propose trades for specific prospects you like. Offer cash to sweeten the deal, as necessary.

The other thing to keep in mind is that while Goya IS a commodity, he's not uncommon. A lot of people have guys that are similar or at least not enough of a drop off that upgrading is a priority.

Now some people would say that because of that you should take whatever you can get -- the market is saturated with players of his type, so that's what the market bears. I say that you know his worth, you can perfectly assess his value. So unless someone offers something up equivelant to his actual, real value (as opposed to market), you should probably keep him.

The fact is that, even when you're rebuilding, you still need some players. And at less than 7 mil a season for however long he is signed for, Goya can probably hit 30-40 HR, not kill you in BA, and be a bargain.

sander offers good advice. Where you can actually probably get somewhere close to his value is a team that loses someone to injury for an extended period. I'd keep an eye on the injury reports...