I find myself to be as close to dropping this game as I have ever been. I work to build a program in one of the crappiest conferences around. I finally achieve a level of success and rise to the top level only to see my hard work slowly leak away.

Check out my record at Army and tell me it's fair that the prestige keeps dropping while Army continues to perform at the national level. I know the conference is weak and that I wouldn't have such a problem at one of the top conferences but damn it, this game is supposed to be about building a dynasty. It seems it's only about building one as long as you stay within a few select conferences because I don't see how you can maintain a high prestige otherwise.

So I might look elsewhere for a job or I might just finish out the string at Army and retire as their only human coach. I shouldn't be forced to make that choice by the system.

I agree Lizak. I will say though, that your prestige did drop off a bit because your NC is now outside of the 4 year window. In your window, you have 2 1st rounds, an elite 8, and a sweet 16.

In saying that, I still agree with your post.

Prestige does has some problems.

It pretty silly how largely it is tied to its baselines. A B- baseline BCS team that is a C prestige can make one NT appearance and be a B. A Midmajor with a C baseline can't get to B without multiple appearances in and row and lose it as soon as they have an offseason.

Honestly I'd like to see baselines disappear a little more and be tied more into program history of that world.

One thing I'd love to see is a school's prestige much easier to raise and stay high at midmajors if a coach stays there for a long time. Lizak's example is great. If hes been there for 16 years and won alot the school's prestige could take less into account the school's history and more of the Lizak term. Though once he leaves it goes back to taking into account that its Army, a historically poor basketball school.

You make a Sweet 16 at Army and your prestige goes down. That's hilarious.

westcoast is right, it's due in part to the NC (nice work!) dropping off the 4-yr window ... which highlights one of the truly stupid parts about prestige (and HD in general).

I just sent a ticket in and had a discussion with seble about my prestige staying frozen at a B after a 30-3, Elite 8 season at Montana. I agree that it should be more difficult for Army or Montana to raise their prestige than a big-time school, but it's gone too far ... a S16 or E8 should result in a visible boost in prestige, no ifs ands or buts.

Hang in there, keep scheduling tough and winning games, and hopefully they'll address it.

I understand the NC dropping out of the equation but as I said in my ticket, the last 4 seasons should be enough to keep me on an even footing with those other schools that only occasionally make the NT or PI.

Isn't this game better when anyone can build a dynasty? Take a loser and turn it into a winner. It seems to me the only way you can do this outside of a few conferences is to win a NC every 4 years. So they drive you to those conferences or drive you from the game. How does that make business sense?

completely agree...Lizak has had far too much success over the long haul to have him bleed like this.

I can understand having baseline prestige in place early on in a world. This keeps teams in power conferences from becoming wastelands while simmy runs the show. They should do a sliding scale type thing were as the world gets older baseline prestige fades until by season 20 or 30 its impact is very minor. This would level the playing field.

It would keep early coaches who setup shop at low-level schools from getting a huge advantage. That way you don't have an A+ Belmont before the first humans reach the Dukes of the world. However, over time as baseline prestige faded those coaches would be rewarded for their continued success the same way a coach at Duke is.

It's also kind of irritating that, despite having two of the last three national champions, and a top 4 RPI each year, the Ivy in Allen can't get higher than a C+ prestige.

What is the highest a non BCS conference's prestige has ever gotten?

The A10 in IBA is B. I think they've been at B+ before.

That could take us awhile...

In tark the MWC is at a B-. We were the number 1 RPI conference last season in the World and had a national championship in the conference. This season we are the number 4 RPI conference and have 4 or 5 teams with legitimate shots at the title including Air Force who has a shot at repeating. I expect our conference prestige will continue to rise mostly due to the fact that for some time now we have only had one sim in the conference and a collection of pretty good coaches.

You can't compare the A-10 to the true mids. The A-10 in HD is #7 with a bullet, their prestige is going to move up more quickly than a true low or mid conference. The MWC is right behind them as well.

I think we'd gotten the Colonial in Rupp to B- before a bunch of us (also had two national champs). I wonder if any of the other true mid-or-lower conference has achieved higher.

Quote: Originally Posted By tannermcc on 10/21/2009

Honestly I'd like to see baselines disappear a little more and be tied more into program history of that world.

By this do you mean you'd like to see all D1 teams start out equal like say C-and prestige be solely based on actual performance in that world? If so I don't like that idea. When most people play this game they aren't playing thinking "I'm going to turn Army into the best program in the country" they are thinking "it would be cool to coach Duke." I know there are definitely a decent amount of people who would like to turn a real life small program into consistent contenders but I think most people play this to live out a fantasy of coaching the schools that are the real life A+ prestiges.

No, read his comment you quoted again.

He's not suggesting that they all start out equal. He's saying he'd like to see them diminish overtime and rather than the original baseline being the driving factor, the actual history and accomplishments of the program in that world be the driving factor.

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 10/22/2009
No, read his comment you quoted again.

He's not suggesting that they all start out equal. He's saying he'd like to see them diminish overtime and rather than the original baseline being the driving factor, the actual history and accomplishments of the program in that world be the driving factor.

Ah, I see, still not sure if I'm a big fan of that. Look at George Mason, they went to the Final 4 and it's not like their prestige has really increased, they are still a low-mid D1 school, probably a C- in this game. Even a school like Gonzaga which has been consistently really good for the whole decade isn't considered an elite program.

Baseline prestige is just something that is really hard to lose. To change sports look at Notre Dame, when was the last time they fielded a legitamate national championship contender? Since historically they had been so good they are always in the spotlight. Every season no matter how good or bad they are expected to be they are a topic of conversation.