1964 WESPL Draft Topic

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Dual era progressive league. Each season we play 2 years, but we keep those years completely separate by league (except for interleague play). We play each era simultaneously, one in the NL and one in the PL. In effect we are playing two progressive leagues, separated by league boundary. the reason we are playing 2 at once, rather than each individually is, of course, that there are not enough 1923 or 1946 players to fill 24 teams, but there are enough to fill 12 teams.

·each owner can take up to 2 teams- one starting in 1923 in the NL and one starting in 1946 in the PL. (if you only want one team, that is fine...someone else will then just take only one in the opposite league)

·we will have separate snake-style initial drafts for each league

o1923 teams will be able to draft any player (and only any player) who had a 1923 WIS season. 1946 teams will be able to draft any player (and only any player) who had a 1946 WIS season.

owe will draft stadiums (from our era) in the initial drafts

odraft order for the initial drafts will be determined randomly

odrafted players will be owned until they are cut, are traded, or retire

ostadiums will be owned for the life of the league, unless you appeal for a stadium change.

·each team may carry over as many players as it likes to the following season (standard progressive- For instance, the team who had 1923 babe ruth in 1923, would have 1924 babe ruth in 1924. )

okeeper lists will be due by the 135 game mark. Late keeper lists will have all possible keepers counted against their DPR (see below), and if not submitted by the start of the draft- all possible keepers retained.

oplayers who miss a WIS season in mid-career can be retained on the DL until their career resumes. for instance, if you draft P y O'doul in 1923, you can retain him until he comes back as an outfielder. (you have to keep him on your active roster any year he has a WIS season)

·after each season we will have separate non-snake rookie/free agent drafts to fill out rosters in each league/year. a drafted player will be owned by its drafting team until that player is traded, is cut, or retires.

orookie/free agent draft order: factors involved will be SalaryYr1 (previous year): punished. salaryYr2 (upcoming year, of team's keepers): punished at lesser rate. Wins previous year (after 135gms): rewarded at lesser rate. here is the formula:

Total salaryYr1 at Game 81 (Millionsx2) + salaryYr2 from posted keepers by Game 135 (MillionsX1) - Wins at Game 140/2= DPS (draft power score)

the lowest possible salary that can be entered into the formula will be 55m. for instance, if your salary from year 1 (or yr 2) was 39m, 55m would be used in the formula. (there is no advantage to holding a firesale to get below 55m in salary)

Lowest DPS drafts first, highest last

trading draft picks for players or other picks is allowed.

·at no point in any season will a team from one league/year be able to have a player from another year. for instance, a 1923 team will have all 1923 players. there will be no inter-year trading between 1923 and 1946 teams. (trading between teams of the same year will, of course, be legal and encouraged).

·Team names will begin with the current year, followed by the city of your stadium, followed by a nickname of your choice (can be the real name, or a name of your choice.) for instance, if you drafted wrigley field in the 1946 draft, your team name could be: '46 Chicago Cubs, or '46 Chicago River Rats etc. it could not be don's dingers, or tallahassee tigers etc.

·AAA will be set to below-average, so as to provide fatigue relief, but at replacement-player level ability (similar to real life minor leagues).

·The NLCS will be considered the WS of the 23 era, and PLCS will be considered the WS of the 46 era. The LCS winners will be proclaimed "champions" of their respective eras, and the world series will be a time-travel exhibition match for WIS rewards, personal stats, and bragging rights.

·collusion will be illegal -(note- this section was written for owners who own teams in both leagues. so far, I -jwilli- am the only one) for instance, dumping 1923 players to another 1923 team in exchange for recieving the opposite in return with your 1946 team will be absolutely illegal and punishable by draft pick loss or expulsion at commissioner discretion. also, throwing games, between 2 teams of your own (there will only be 2 per year), or between your team and another's team, for any reason, will also be illegal and punishable by the same measures.

·Live play will be legal, although there will never be any sort of requirement to play live. completely up to the owner. SL Live will be allowed for the current series.

·No DH

tkcronin; modellscks2; BullMoose; etapar; schwarze; antoncresten; dreeves; SteveBobLDN; jwilli7122; bomain; urband; gonoles777
11/6/2009 9:14 AM
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Draft rules

Once you have posted your pick, please sitemail the next 2 owners

If the owner immediately before you has posted his or her pick, you may post your pick – otherwise, you must wait until the beginning of your scheduled draft slot to post your pick



To minimize extensive skipping, the draft for the following day will not start until the posted time for that day's first pick - this will provide owners with skipped picks time to make a pick before the next day's picks are made

Posted picks are official once another owner has posted his or her pick.

To avoid selecting a player already selected, please check the available players list and the most recent posted draft picks before posting your pick

The use of proxies is encouraged if you think you may not be around to post your pick
11/6/2009 9:14 AM
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1964WESPL Draft Order

Using the DPS rules: Total salaryYr1 at Game 81 (Millionsx2) + salaryYr2 from posted keepers by Game 135 (MillionsX1) - Wins at Game 140/2= DPS (draft power score)

the lowest possible salary that can be entered into the formula will be 55m. for instance, if your salary from year 1 (or yr 2) was 39m, 55m would be used in the formula. (there is no advantage to holding a firesale to get below 55m in salary)

1St Louis - gonoles777167.4
2Pittsburgh - urband202.2
3Chi GB - jwilli7122212.5
4ChicagoM - SteveBobLDN215.8
5Cin - dreeves220.8
6Boston - BullMoose223.4
7Wash - antoncresten226.0
8Detroit - bomain239.5
9NY Knights etapar244.3
10SF - modellscks2247.0
11Los Angeles - tkcronin253.7
12Cleve - schwarze279.9
11/6/2009 9:16 AM
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Round One - Monday - November 9
All Times ET
1. St. Louis (gonoles777) Luis Tiant (P)
2. Pittsburgh (urband) Tony Oliva (OF)
3. Chicago GB (jwilli7122) Dick Allen (3B)
4. Chicago M (SteveBobLDN) Mike Cueller (P)
5. Cincinnati (dreeves) Mel Stottlemyre (P)
6. Boston (BullMoose) Tommy John (P)
7. Washington GB (antoncresten) Bert Campaneris (SS)
8. Detroit (bomain) Rico Carty (OF)
9. NY Knights (etapar) Sonny Siebert (P)
10. San Francisco (modellscks2) Denny McLain (P)
11. Los Angeles (tkcronin) Wally Bunker (P)
12. Cleveland (schwarze) Billy McCool (P)
Round Two - Tuesday - November 10
All Times ET
13. St. Louis (gonoles777) Don Buford (2B)
14. Pittsburgh (urband) Rick Wise (P)
15. Chicago GB (jwilli7122) Jim Ray Hart (3B)
16. Chicago M (SteveBobLDN) Sandy Alomar (SS)
17. Cincinnati (dreeves) Bob Lee (P)
18. Boston (BullMoose) Willie Horton (OF)
19. Washington GB (antoncresten) Tony Congiliaro (OF)
20. Detroit (bomain) Jerry Adair (2B)
21. Chicago M (SteveBobLDN) Frank Malzone (3B) (trade with NY Knights) (LAST PICK)
22. St. Louis (gonoles777) Ken Sanders (P) (trade with SF)
23. Los Angeles (tkcronin) Sammy Ellis (P)
24. Cleveland (schwarze) Bob Humphreys (P)
Round Three - Wednesday - November 11
All Times ET
25. St. Louis (gonoles777) Mel Queen (OF)
26. Pittsburgh (urband) Gordie Richardson (P)
27. Chicago GB (jwilli7122) Johnny Briggs (OF)
28. Cincinnati (dreeves) Dick Green (2B)
29. Boston (BullMoose) Steve Blass (P)
30. Washington GB (antoncresten) Wes Parker (1B)
31. Detroit (bomain) Chris Cannizzarro (C)
32. NY Knights (etapar) Hal Lanier (2B)
33. San Francisco (modellscks2) Tracy Stallard (P)
34. Los Angeles (tkcronin) Jimmy Piersall (OF)
35. Cleveland (schwarze) Joe Adcock (1B)
Round Four - Thursday - November 12
All Times ET
36. St. Louis (gonoles777) Jerry Grote (C)
37. Pittsburgh (urband) Bobby Klaus (2B)
38. San Francisco (modellscks2) Charlie Lau (C) (trade with Chi GB)
39. Cincinnati (dreeves) Clete Boyer (3B)
40. Boston (BullMoose) Galen Cisco (P)
41. Washington GB (antoncresten) Ron Herbel (P) (LAST PICK)
42. Detroit (bomain) Aubrey Gatewood (P) (LAST PICK)
43. NY Knights (etapar) Bill Skowron (1B)
44. San Francisco (modellscks2) Bobby Knoop (2B)
45. Los Angeles (tkcronin) Charley Smith (3B) (LAST PICK)
46. Cleveland (schwarze) Sam Bowens (OF)
Round Five - Friday - November 13
All Times ET
47. St. Louis (gonoles777) Alex Johnson (OF)
48. Pittsburgh (urband) Johnny Werhas (3B)
49. Chicago GB (jwilli7122) Billy Pierce (P)
50. Cincinnati (dreeves) Pete Mikkelson (P)(LAST PICK)
51. Boston (BullMoose) Clay Dalrymple (C)
52. NY Knights (etapar) Joe Sparma (P) (LAST PICK)
53. San Francisco (modellscks2) Norm Siebern (1B)
54. Cleveland (schwarze) Joe Koppe (SS) (LAST PICK)
Round Six - Saturday - November 14
All Times ET
55. St. Louis (gonoles777) Ty Cline (OF) (LAST PICK)
56. Pittsburgh (urband) Amado Samuel (SS) (LAST PICK)
57. Chicago GB (jwilli7122) SKIPPED (LAST PICK)
58. Boston (BullMoose) Jose Santiago (P)
59. San Francisco (modellscks2) Chico Salmon (OF) (LAST PICK)
Remaining Rounds - Saturday - November 14
All Times ET
60. Boston (BullMoose) Jimmy Stewart (2B)
61. Boston (BullMoose) Chi Chi Olivo (P)
62. Boston (BullMoose) Danny Cater (OF)
63. Boston (BullMoose) Jesus Alou (OF)
11/6/2009 9:21 AM
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*** 1964 WESPL Draft Available Players - Already Selected in Bold ***

Catchers

Bailey, Ed

Bertell, Dick

Blanchard, Johnny

Brown, Dick

Brumley, Mike

Camilli, Doug

Cannizzaro, Chris

Carreon, Cam

Crandall, Del

Dalrymple, Clay

Duncan, Dave

Edwards, Doc

Grote, Jerry

Lau, Charlie

Leppert, Don

Martin, J.C.

McFarlane, Orlando

McNertney, Jerry

Nixon, Russ

Orsino, John

Ranew, Merritt

Roarke, Mike

Roznovsky, Vic

Schaffer, Jimmie

Smith, Hal W.

Taylor, Hawk

Uecker, Bob

Zimmerman, Jerry



First Base

Adcock, Joe

Bond, Walt

Chance, Bob

Coleman, Gordy

Cunningham, Joe

Gonzalez, Pedro

Harkness, Tim

Joseph, Rick

McCraw, Tommy

Phillips, Dick

Roberts, Dave

Runnels, Pete

Siebern, Norm

Sievers, Roy

Skowron, Bill

Smith, Dick

Thomas, Frank

Williams, Dick

Wood, Jake
11/6/2009 9:44 AM
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Second Base

Adair, Jerry

Allen, Bernie

Amalfitano, Joey

Bolling, Frank

Buford, Don

Campbell, Ron

Cottier, Chuck

Dela Hoz, Mike

Gagliano, Phil

Goryl, Johnny

Green, Dick

Hiller, Chuck

Jones, Dalton

Kanehl, Rod

Kindall, Jerry

Klaus, Bobby

Knoop, Bobby

Lanier, Hal

Lillis, Bob

Oliver, Nate

Schilling, Chuck

Shoemaker, Charlie

Snyder, Jim

Stewart, Jimmy

Tracewski, Dick

Weis, Al

Williams, George

Woodward, Woody



Third Base

Allen, Dick

Boros, Steve

Boyer, Clete

Freese, Gene

Gilliam, Jim

Griffith, Derrell

Hart, Jim Ray

Kennedy, John

Kostro, Frank

Malzone, Frank

Moran, Billy

Phillips, Bubba

Ruiz, Chico

Satriano, Tom

Shirley, Bart

Smith, Charley

Stephenson, John

Torres, Felix

Werhas, Johnny

Zimmer, Don



Shortstop

Alomar, Sandy

Amaro, Ruben

Campaneris, Bert

Johnson, Bob

Kasko, Eddie

Koppe, Joe

Linz, Phil

McMillan, Roy

Pagan, Jose

Samuel, Amado

Wine, Bobby
11/6/2009 9:45 AM
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Outfield

Alou, Jesus

Altman, George

Alusik, George

Beauchamp, Jim

Bowens, Sam

Briggs, Johnny

Burke, Leo

Burton, Ellis

Carty, Rico

Cater, Danny

Cimoli, Gino

Clemens, Doug

Cline, Ty

Clinton, Lou

Conigliaro, Tony

Cowan, Billy

Elliot, Larry

Francona, Tito

Gabrielson, Len

Gaines, Joe

Green, Lenny

Hardy, Carroll

Harrelson, Ken

Herrnstein, John

Horton, Tony

Horton, Willie

Hunt, Ken

James, Charlie

Jimenez, Manny

Johnson, Alex

Keough, Marty

King, Jim

Kirkpatrick, Ed

Kolb, Gary

Kuenn, Harvey

Landis, Jim

Lewis, Johnny

Long, Jeoff

Long, Jeoff

Lopez, Hector

Lynch, Jerry

Mathews, Nelson

Mejias, Roman

Moon, Wally

Nicholson, Dave

Oliva, Tony

Parker, Wes

Perry, Bob

Peterson, Cap

Piersall, Jim

Queen, Mel

Reynolds, Tommie

Robinson, Earl

Salmon, Chico

Shannon, Mike

Simpson, Dick

Skinner, Bob

Smith, Willie

Smith, Al

Snider, Duke

Spangler, Al

Stephens, Gene

Tartabull, Jose

Thomas, George

Thomas, Lee

Valentine, Fred

Warwick, CarlWhite, Mike
11/6/2009 9:46 AM
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Pitchers

Arrigo, Gerry

Baumann, Frank

Bearnarth, Larry

Bennett, Dennis

Bertaina, Frank

Blasingame, Wade

Blass, Steve

Boozer, John

Bork, Frank

Bouldin, Carl

Bowsfield, Ted

Bridges, Marshall

Broglio, Ernie

Bunker, Wally

Burdette, Lew

Butters, Tom

Charton, Pete

Cheney, Tom

Cisco, Galen

Connolly Jr., Ed

Cuellar, Mike

Daley, Bud

Duckworth, Jim

Duliba, Bob

Duren, Ryne

Earley, Arnold

Egan, Dick

Ellis, Sammy

Ellsworth, Dick

Elston, Don

Estelle, Dick

Estrada, Chuck

Fischer, Hank

Fisher, Jack

Gatewood, Aubrey

Green, Dallas

Grzenda, Joe

Handrahan, Vern

Hannan, Jim

Heffner, Bob

Herbel, Ron

Herbert, Ray

Hobbie, Glen

Hoeft, Billy

Humphreys, Bob

Hunter, Willard

John, Tommy

Jones, Gordon

Klippstein, Johnny

Koch, Alan

Koonce, Cal

Kreutzer, Frank

Lamabe, Jack

Lee, Bob

Lee, Don

Locke, Ron

Mahaffey, Art

McBride, Ken

McCool, Billy

McLain, Denny

Meyer, Bob

Mikkelsen, Pete

Miller, Larry

Moeller, Joe

Monteagudo, Aurelio

Morehead, Dave

Mossi, Don

Narum, Buster

Navarro, Julio



Norman, Fred

Nottebart, Don

Nuxhall, Joe

O'Donoghue, John

Olivo, Chi-chi

Ortega, Phil

Osinski, Dan

Owens, Jim

Pena, Orlando

Pfister, Dan

Pierce, Billy

Pleis, Bill

Priddy, Bob

Rakow, Ed

Reed, Howie

Ribant, Dennis

Richardson, Gordie

Ritchie, Jay

Rudolph, Don

Sadowski, Bob

Sanders, Ken

Santiago, Jose

Schneider, Dan

Schurr, Wayne

Schwall, Don

Sherry, Larry

Siebert, Sonny

Sisk, Tommie

Slaughter, Sterling

Smith, Jack

Spahn, Warren

Spanswick, Bill

Sparma, Joe

Stallard, Tracy

Stenhouse, Dave

Stottlemyre Sr., Mel

Sturdivant, Tom

Sutherland, Darrell

Talbot, Fred

Terry, Ralph

Tiant, Luis

Tsitouris, John

Vineyard, Dave

Wakefield, Bill

Willey, Carl

Willhite, Nick

Wise, Rick

Wyatt, John



11/6/2009 9:47 AM
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*** The 1963 WESPL Draft is Open....No skipped picks until we start scheduled slots on Monday - November 9

once you have posted your pick, please sitemail the next 2 owners ***
11/6/2009 9:48 AM
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the St. Louis Rowboats select Luis Tiant (P)
11/6/2009 9:49 AM
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OF Tony Oliva
11/6/2009 5:16 PM
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proxy pick for Chicago GB...jwilli

Dick Allen (3B)
11/6/2009 5:17 PM
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The Chicago Maroons draft Mike Cuellar (P).

11/6/2009 6:09 PM
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Mel Stottlemyre, P to Cincinnati
11/6/2009 7:29 PM
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Tommy John...was counting on one of the previous two but This will do.
11/6/2009 8:18 PM
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