Recruiting an inel in d1... Topic

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This type of thread has been posted before but I seem to have forgotten, does an inel need a 2.7 to stay eligible in d1 for his final year?

All the other years it's just a 2.0 right?

Also, after recruiting an inel, there are generally 3 roads they can go...

1. Show up for school

2. Drop to juco for a year, and you lose him

3. Start using his brain and immediately pass the sat, and surprise everyone when he shows up eligible.

I have had all 3 happen to me, but not all in d1. Which one is the most common? I take it number 3 is quite rare, but which one is more common of the first two?

Do you think inel players are worth the risk?
11/9/2009 8:50 PM
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Yes on the 2.7. I think that #1 is the most common.

I think it is worth the risk, especially if you don't really need the player to show up....like if you have no guards coming back, i won't sign an ineligible SG and think I am good.

But for D/D+/C- level D1 teams, you can get some really good players that the big guys pass on due to the risk of #2.

The odds depend on a lot of things, and I think it is random, but I bet you chance he shows up are 75% or better. I personally am 1 for 1, and since I have been in D1 my conference is 4 for 5 since I have been paying attention.
11/9/2009 9:02 PM
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Curious as to the odds because I passed on a 50 something ranked C for a #27 inel. I have 4 pf/centers returning this year, so as you said, it's not a big issue if he bails. This guy could be really good tho, and I would be really happy to get him in my situation.
11/9/2009 10:54 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By nbstowman on 11/09/2009
This type of thread has been posted before but I seem to have forgotten, does an inel need a 2.7 to stay eligible in d1 for his final year?

All the other years it's just a 2.0 right?

Also, after recruiting an inel, there are generally 3 roads they can go...

1. Show up for school

2. Drop to juco for a year, and you lose him

3. Start using his brain and immediately pass the sat, and surprise everyone when he shows up eligible.

I have had all 3 happen to me, but not all in d1. Which one is the most common? I take it number 3 is quite rare, but which one is more common of the first two?

Do you think inel players are worth the risk?

His CUMULATIVE GPA for the first 4 seasons has to be above 2.7 for him to show up for the fifth season.
11/9/2009 11:04 PM
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There is no rhyme or reason to an ineligible player showing up, hence the reason you aren't getting an answer telling you there is one. It has been said that the more recruiting effort put in increases the chances he will report as does your team prestige, fairly certain there is no proof to any of that since there is no way to get any.
11/9/2009 11:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 11/10/2009There is no rhyme or reason to an ineligible player showing up, hence the reason you aren't getting an answer telling you there is one. It has been said that the more recruiting effort put in increases the chances he will report as does your team prestige, fairly certain there is no proof to any of that since there is no way to get any
I have had an ineligible recruit show up with less than $1k in effort. I also recently had a recruit not show up after spending over $40k on him. So as z said, it's a crapshoot with no way of telling up front.

All D1 effort.

11/9/2009 11:10 PM
reinsel
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My one I got I spent around $10,000 on. Not sure if there is any correlation.
11/9/2009 11:58 PM
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I've also overspent on inel guys trying to sway them into showing up, and still having them walk away, but also drop 2 hvs into one as an afterthought instead of taking a walkon, and then have him show up.

2 other quick questions: supposing he goes juco,

After a juco year, how much credit do I get for previous effort? And, I will have to recruit him from his juco, not hs hometown right? IE; he could be in Cali instead of the 10 miles away he was this year.
11/10/2009 12:10 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by nbstowman on 11/10/2009I've also overspent on inel guys trying to sway them into showing up, and still having them walk away, but also drop 2 hvs into one as an afterthought instead of taking a walkon, and then have him show up.

So you already knew the answer to your question then?

2 other quick questions: supposing he goes juco,

After a juco year, how much credit do I get for previous effort? The same as carryover 25% And, I will have to recruit him from his juco, not hs hometown right? IE; he could be in Cali instead of the 10 miles away he was this year.Yes.
11/10/2009 12:23 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By nbstowman on 11/10/2009

I've also overspent on inel guys trying to sway them into showing up, and still having them walk away, but also drop 2 hvs into one as an afterthought instead of taking a walkon, and then have him show up.

2 other quick questions: supposing he goes juco,

After a juco year, how much credit do I get for previous effort? And, I will have to recruit him from his juco, not hs hometown right? IE; he could be in Cali instead of the 10 miles away he was this year.

My $40k recruit was at Texas (he was from Mexico and I had to fight Vanderbilt to the end to get him). He was a Top 10 level PG. He then regenerated the next season as an absolute stud and within 50 miles of Kansas. Needless to say, I didn't get him.
11/10/2009 12:28 AM
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I have no facts but maybe, sort of, kind of, it might seem like, once in awhile, the ODDS of an ineligible going juco may depend on the quality of the recruit vs. quality of the school (or maybe it's current roster?).

It just seems that my best ineligibles go juco with my worst schools and versa-vicea.

Pure conjecture here.
11/10/2009 1:04 AM
nbstowman
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I knew the basics of inel recruits before posting this. Just wondering what others thought the odds were for them to show up. Thx for the feedback all.
11/10/2009 4:06 AM
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I have recruited about 10 -15 ineligibles and had all but 2 show up. Both times they were a little bit of a reach for the program I had recruited them to. They would have been great players by their 5th season for the level program I had. I have brought in back-ups with minimal effort and they have allways showed up. I have spent alot on a stud that would have been untouchable otherwise for the level of my team and he went JUCO. Not sure that it matters... just experience. Money / effort spent does not seem to affect it in any way however. IMHO.

11/11/2009 3:00 PM
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I have spent 40K on an ineligible who was less then 200 miles away at A+ prestige Kansas in Tark. He did not show up for school and went JUCO.

Some players are coded in a way that they will go JUCO no matter how much effort is put into them. It sucks but that is the way it currently is.
11/11/2009 7:20 PM
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hmmm...

are we sure that you have to recruit the kid from his juco town, and not his hometown?

has it allways been that way?

cause i am pretty sure that there have been a time or two where i was recruiting a kid from a juco that i actually know of in real life and they were listed as coming from a totally different city.state than the juco actually is.

not sure that made any sense.

but, if you really do have to chase the kid to a new spot... that sucks bigtime
11/11/2009 8:08 PM
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