D3 recruiting vs. D2 schools Topic

ejectgoose
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Can a D3 team with A+ prestige beat out a D2 team with B- prestige for a recruit? Any tips how to make it so, or is it a pure money play?
11/30/2009 10:31 PM
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It won't happen. It would cost you way more money than you have.
11/30/2009 10:45 PM
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interesting question though.

question along the same topic. does recruiting from a lower division carry any penalty in recruiting? other than having less starting cash?


ie - assuming equal prestige and that the recruit has already "dropped" to the DIII team. Does it take any "extra" effort for a DIII school to get the recruit. Or are both team equal in the recruit's eye?
11/30/2009 11:09 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by Weena on 11/30/2009It won't happen. It would cost you way more money than you have.

i dunno. not that huge of a difference. . .

say you have 3 openings and the DII sim has 2. Say you are in a good conference that got you an extra $3K in postseason cash. .. . not including carryover the DIII school has $12k, the DII school has $10k.

now think if you had 4 or 5 openings. i think its more than feasible.

a couple years ago in DIII tark i would regularly take DII recruits from human coaches. I was very selective on who i targeted, but this was all pre-FSS.
11/30/2009 11:15 PM
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here's what i'm dealing with.

Word on the Street as of 2:30pm yesterday had this recruit definitely leaning my way over the D2 school.

At 8pm, my assistant coach said we should feel really good about our chances.

At 11pm, suddenly I was no longer even on his Schools Considering list. From leading to gone, just like that. I'm wondering if this change could be accomplished simply by the D2 school doing another round of visits, or if there could be a booster gift involved--e.g., something I cannot possibly compete with.

To add more context, the D2 school has a human coach who's been around for awhile. They have 3 openings, as do I. The said recruit was a dropdown from D2.

I'm regrettably leaning toward giving this one up, though part of me wants to fight it out even at the expense of taking 1 or 2 walkons if it doesn't pan out. The recruit is that good--a PG with high potential at SPD, PER, BH, and PASS is a real rarity at D3.
12/1/2009 6:56 AM
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I always have believed that a D prestige D2 team is exactly 1 grade level above a A prestige D3 team, which is just the same as a A D3 team vs. a B D3 team.

So the B- D2 team vs. the A- D3 team is 3 full grades higher, which means the D3 team is going to have to spent 2-3 times as much effort to get the recruit to sign, plus do it on a smaller budget.

i.e. 1 of his home visits is worth 3 of yours.

When I had a A+ D3 team , you could fight a D prestige D2 team, but it was very dicey and I needed a distance advatange since my budget was so small.
12/1/2009 8:56 AM
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You'll need some luck, goose. 2 things to remember:

- if you're battling a D2 school with lower prestige, the coach may be a bit green, and may slip up (that happened to me twice in the same season, or I would've been screwed)

- usually, you can fight a C prestige school with A+ prestige, but anything more is playing with fire.

It can't hurt to stay with it for a couple cycles with low-risk, high-reward stuff (minutes, starter), but if the D2 school is hell bent, it's a no-win proposition.
12/1/2009 9:27 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by reinsel on 12/01/2009I always have believed that a D prestige D2 team is exactly 1 grade level above a A prestige D3 team, which is just the same as a A D3 team vs. a B D3 team.So the B- D2 team vs. the A- D3 team is 3 full grades higher, which means the D3 team is going to have to spent 2-3 times as much effort to get the recruit to sign, plus do it on a smaller budget.i.e. 1 of his home visits is worth 3 of yours.When I had a A+ D3 team , you could fight a D prestige D2 team, but it was very dicey and I needed a distance advatange since my budget was so small.

i agree with the difference between d3/d2 stuff. i count it the same way. but, i'd say the difference is double or less.

going up against a b- school is fairly dangerous. i battle d2 teams for players all the time with my d3 school, but you have to pick carefully. if the other coach knows what hes doing, give it up (unless you have a significant distance advantage or you feel he is spending all his money on other guys - in the last case, don't get involved if he is still spending elsewhere). usually, i am battling new coaches without a great recruiting situation, with crappy prestige, so its the easiest d2 schools you can battle. that's about the best you can do - the 3,000 vs 5,000 difference of d3 vs d2 is pretty significant. so its not as much what you do as, is it even feasible?

that said, if you don't have another great option, why not roll the dice? you have to consider the opportunity cost - what could you do with the money otherwise?
12/1/2009 9:45 AM
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A few seasons back in Tark, BillyG beat me for a recruit with his A+ D3 team and I had an A- D2 team, so yea it can be done.
12/1/2009 11:03 AM
ejectgoose
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Thanks bradshaw--I did some minor stuff for a few cycles. A few calls and packages, guaranteed minutes. Nothing major, and though the recruit was receptive to hearing more, I didn't reappear on his list.

The latest Word on the Street has the D2 school in front, though he may not be a priority for them. I don't place much faith in it, as all this could mean is that the D2 school doesn't feel the need to spend any more money due to lack of competition...
12/1/2009 3:02 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by ejectgoose on 12/01/2009Thanks bradshaw--I did some minor stuff for a few cycles.  A few calls and packages, guaranteed minutes.  Nothing major, and though the recruit was receptive to hearing more, I didn't reappear on his list.The latest Word on the Street has the D2 school in front, though he may not be a priority for them.  I don't place much faith in it, as all this could mean is that the D2 school doesn't feel the need to spend any more money due to lack of competition...

yes, 99% of the time a quality coach is after a recruit in d2, it will say not a priority or they are not that tight or one of those equivalent messages. so i wouldn't take it to mean anything.
12/1/2009 9:43 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by kmasonbx on 12/01/2009A few seasons back in Tark, BillyG beat me for a recruit with his A+ D3 team and I had an A- D2 team, so yea it can be done.

oh yeah... i was almost positive i had a d3 team who beat a good d2 team, complete with a good coach, but i couldnt remember, and was afraid i was mixing up my new d2 team and a quality d2 team, which also happened. but yeah, it can definitely be done. my d3 team pretty much never loses to d2 teams, it might have happened once but if so i can't think of it right now (not counting when a guy jumps on a recruit after me and i give up without a fight). a lot of that is battle selection and strategy though, there is still a significant advantage for a d2 team. so you have to be careful. and damn sure of your situation. but its definitely possible :)
12/1/2009 9:48 PM
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Ya I've beat out a D2 team with a B+ prestige D3 team. I think that I just spent enough money so that the player did not sign with the D2 team and the team finally gave up and filled their roster. You have to be extremely careful how you spend your money and make sure you don't overspend on this player and ruin the rest of your class.
12/1/2009 11:09 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By ejectgoose on 12/01/2009
here's what i'm dealing with.

Word on the Street as of 2:30pm yesterday had this recruit definitely leaning my way over the D2 school.

At 8pm, my assistant coach said we should feel really good about our chances.

At 11pm, suddenly I was no longer even on his Schools Considering list. From leading to gone, just like that. I'm wondering if this change could be accomplished simply by the D2 school doing another round of visits, or if there could be a booster gift involved--e.g., something I cannot possibly compete with.

I would be extremely surprised if it was booster gifts. It would not be difficult for him to knock you off the recruit's considering list.

To add more context, the D2 school has a human coach who's been around for awhile. They have 3 openings, as do I. The said recruit was a dropdown from D2.

I'm regrettably leaning toward giving this one up, though part of me wants to fight it out even at the expense of taking 1 or 2 walkons if it doesn't pan out. The recruit is that good--a PG with high potential at SPD, PER, BH, and PASS is a real rarity at D3.

One of the most important aspects in recruiting is knowing when to fold 'em. And this is one of those times. There's just too much for you to realistically overcome.

12/2/2009 5:13 AM
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