Rhetorical Questions about Coach Hiring Topic

ArlenWilliam
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1. Why does WIS think it's so worthless to be a base coach (especially a first base coach) compared to a hitting instructor?

2. And when are they going to start growing new fielding instructors?

3. At the end, for GM's who, due to real life commitment have to miss the last round of bidding, why don't they bid on the best coaches available, instead of taking utterly inexperienced coaches - even for big league assignments?
12/5/2009 11:43 PM
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1. Probably because HBD only relates to coaches in terms of development. Other than the BC taking over for you if you're thrown out of the game, there is no in-game effect from the coaches. Since the main task of RL base coaches is to direct traffic and pass signs during the game, it doesn't leave them a whole lot to do in HBD. As it is, they are apparently the primary developers of baserunning skills, but perhaps HBD takes the position that baserunning is overrated. A better question, IMO, would be why does HBD think that BCs are so important?

2. <insert facetious comment about "growing fielders in a field" here>

3. Because if they did it that way, bright GMs would just wait until the end to grab good coaches for cheap prices. As a matter of fact, that's why they just changed the logic ...
12/6/2009 12:19 PM
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evidently the meaning of rhetorical was not understood.
12/6/2009 1:53 PM
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Per 3 -- Ah, "logic."

The most elegant or the most sophisticated logic, if based upon invalid premises is... absurd, alas.

overs are overs. The best, fresh stuff is already gone, but when we go to the fridge for them, we choose what looks good, not for what has the longest purple hairs.

This is a simulation we pay for. It is not an exercise in being controlled by those we empower.

WIS, IMHO (as do many voters) need to understand that we must start with what makes sense and refine from there and not to try to re-write reality, trying to control the masses in some Hegellian fallacy of remaking the world "as we want it to be," to paraphrase Saul Alinsky.
12/6/2009 2:21 PM
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This topic should have instantly been killed. Rhetorical = no answer needed/expected. Not really sure why Arlen even created a topic with rhetorical in the name when he clearly was looking for a response
12/6/2009 2:36 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By ArlenWilliam on 12/06/2009Per 3 -- Ah, "logic."

The most elegant or the most sophisticated logic, if based upon invalid premises is... absurd, alas.

overs are overs. The best, fresh stuff is already gone, but when we go to the fridge for them, we choose what looks good, not for what has the longest purple hairs.

This is a simulation we pay for. It is not an exercise in being controlled by those we empower.

WIS, IMHO (as do many voters) need to understand that we must start with what makes sense and refine from there and not to try to re-write reality, trying to control the masses in some Hegellian fallacy of remaking the world "as we want it to be," to paraphrase Saul Alinsky
Logic in this context isn't a point of philosophical debate but rather another way of saying "algorithm" or "engine." It's an internet game, AW, try to remember that technology has a language of its own.

Regarding your "overs" comment, have you actually taken a look at what's typically over on the last cycle? I just finished coach hiring in two Worlds, and in both Worlds there are still PCs and HCs with ratings of 80+ on the board.

Regarding what makes sense: Very little of the coach hiring process makes sense because in RL, coaches tend to stay put at a far greater rate than in HBD. But , they had to change it from reality in order to accomodate the fact that ownership can change seasonally and you have to give a relatively fair chance to a new owner. For similar reasons there are budget limits, etc. In any case, it's not about empowerment, IT'S JUST A GAME. Stop taking yourself so seriously.
12/6/2009 2:51 PM
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It was an analogy, carnivore -- and in it, though I'm taking something seriously, that thing is neither me, nor HBD. :-`

And if there are good coaches until the end, that is fine. Let them be taken. That would be part of the game (and the simulation of reality).

WIS bends over backwards in numerous cases, to make sure that customers who have to miss a cycle can catch up, to get things done. The last round of coaching is no different. Sometimes, we have to miss that cycle.
12/7/2009 3:46 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By ArlenWilliam on 12/06/2009
overs are overs. The best, fresh stuff is already gone, but when we go to the fridge for them, we choose what looks good, not for what has the longest purple hairs.



Not true. I've got 90+ rated ML PCs to take BU or AAA PC jobs before the final cycle, because all the ML jobs have been filled, and those are the next best available.
12/7/2009 7:01 AM
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Since this rhetorical thread isn't really about anything, I will simply note how coach hiring is broken ... and has been for a while ... but the current iteration of the engine is "better" than before in my opinion (and I was someone who took advantage of the situation)

and note that I don't have a solution to the current problem, just noting why I think we got here, and why it will never be "good" as it stands

I think owners over promote coaches ... which works individually, but breaks the hiring process ... owners make it "easy" on themselves by bargain hunting AAA coaches up to the majors, which makes sense because they get about as good a rating as they would have from hiring a last available MLB coach

but then AAA is a bit short on talent, so AA coaches get promoted to AAA ... and so it goes and then there is a shortage at LoA and/or HiA ... and then next season, all those AAA coaches that got bumped to MLB are still looking for MLB jobs, but now they are the over-priced marginal MLB guys, so a AAA coach gets hired instead, and there are even more unsigned MLB coaches
12/7/2009 7:19 AM
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There is a flaw in coach hiring. This cannot be denied. However, once you start allowing the late hiring owners to cherrypick available coaches for whatever level(Yeah, he was a BL pitching coach last season but he'll take my LoA offer, right? He wants to work, right? Who wouldn't take 90k over zero, right?), a bigger flaw will be created. The new strategy would be "Don't hire until the last cycle". Everyone knows this. There really is no need to discuss it.
12/7/2009 7:20 AM
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as far as point #3, there is a reason why coach hiring lasts more than one cycle ... you don't "have" to wait until the last round to sign your coaches ... if you know you can't be available for the last round, don't go bidding on coaches you know will be involved in a bidding war

in fact, that handy little number of offers thing next to a coaches name makes it very easy to identify those coaches you can sign immediately (once coaches start signing)
12/7/2009 7:22 AM
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