We've had some debate in a couple of worlds about this and nobody is really sure about either.

You have a guy who refuses to resign with your team. Wants to test the FA market. If traded during the season, will he sign with the new team OR still test the FA market?

Also, the ethics of trading him. Should you inform the owner that the will not sign with you OR is it up to another owner to notice he's in the last season and therefore ask?

Quote: Originally Posted By aginor on 12/29/2009
We've had some debate in a couple of worlds about this and nobody is really sure about either.

You have a guy who refuses to resign with your team. Wants to test the FA market. If traded during the season, will he sign with the new team OR still test the FA market?

Also, the ethics of trading him. Should you inform the owner that the will not sign with you OR is it up to another owner to notice he's in the last season and therefore ask?

On the second question, you have no obligation to tell the other owner that. If the other owner doesnt look atthe guy's contract, shame on him. If he wanted to insure signability, he could demand a sign and trade deal.

You're under no obligation to offer full disclosure up-front.

But if the other owner asks, you should be straight-up with him and tell him what the player's intentions are.

yeah, if somebody asks if they'll re-sign and you say "none of your business!" they will infer that he won't and think you're a pain in the ***. so you really don't advance your situation by refusing to disclose.

I agree, full disclosure is best. Though depending on the experience of the owner, I would be inclined to tell them BEFORE they ask, if they are a newbie. I don't like the idea of doing that to a new owner, especially since most of them take over teams in bad shape already.

The biggest debate is the whether or not he'll sign with the team he's been traded to? Nobody seems to really know. The best I can figure is 'It depends' on the team. Some they will resign and others... Nope still going to FA..

A developer chat indicated that, upon being traded, the player may change his mind about being willing or unwilling to sign a long-term deal. Any animosity about arb negotiations does not carry over to the acquiring team.

Quote: Originally Posted By cbriese on 12/29/2009A developer chat indicated that, upon being traded, the player may change his mind about being willing or unwilling to sign a long-term deal. Any animosity about arb negotiations does not carry over to the acquiring team

This, plus I believe a player may have a change of heart if he goes from a losing franchise to a contender.

Quote: Originally Posted By aginor on 12/29/2009
We've had some debate in a couple of worlds about this and nobody is really sure about either.
You have a guy who refuses to resign with your team. Wants to test the FA market. If traded during the season, will he sign with the new team OR still test the FA market? [as already indicated, me may or may not change his mind -- it is unpredictable]

Also, the ethics of trading him. Should you inform the owner that the will not sign with you OR is it up to another owner to notice he's in the last season and therefore ask? [others have pointed out that you do not have the obligation to tell him]

... and if you are nothing but a dick, you won't tell him voluntarily. Then he and others in the league who took offense at that will do everything they can do to screw you. It is stupid to be a dick.

When does the trading party honestly even think telling the other owner the players resignability? When I trade a player away in the last year of his contract it doesnt really cross my mind. I would be more than happy to be honest with the other owner if he brings it to my attention.

I always just look at that teams FAs for next season. FAs, Options, & Arb. No one has to tell me anything and I don't expect them to. Cheesing a noob on a ruined franchise is something else.

and to answer the question about wether he will sign with the team he's traded to, I have no examples of them doing so, so I can't say.

That's the thing nobody, seems to remember an example... So nobody can say either way for sure.

I am fairly new...and I think that is a responsibility of the owners to be aware of these situations. I appreciate all the advice and information I get from owners, etc......but I also know, that before getting into HBD. I would have alot of reading and learning to do. Just because he does not re-sign with you.....does not mean he would not re-sign for a club that may have a better chance of winning.

Now about the reverse?? Has anyone every seen a case where a player in his last season and is willing to resign; then is traded and will not?

This all came about when I had a guy on the block who during ST was willing to resign with me. Then near the Trade Deadline, had a couple of owners ask about him. One asked about whether he was willing to resigned. I decided to check and now he wouldn't! Might be cause I didn't resign before a particular point.. not sure but whatever. I told both owners this information and pulled him from the Trade Block. Then in the world chat told everyone he wasn't resigning and therefore he's no longer on the block etc.

Well, some owners said I didn't need to do that cause he 'might' resign if traded to another team. Some owners said he most likely wouldn't etc. So debate started.. Nothing heated just a good honest debate and nobody really knew 'for sure' either way...

As far as the ethics go, I'm one for being totally honest and up front. I'm going to tell the owner without being asked. Just keeps bad feelings out of things..

I would let the owner know..... just a habit..... and even about rule 5 players....to newbies, like myself.... who may not know they need to be on the ML roster no matter when ....