New Live Prog. Lg. - 1901 Start- FULL Topic

Hey Everyone,

I'm looking to start a brand new Live Progressive league. In honour of one of my favorite little-know Ballplayers, it will be called the Bid McPhee Baseball League - the BMBL.

The Rules would be nothing you havn't all seen before. I run one other live progressive league (the LPBL - in its 22nd season), so I have some experience as a commish. I also love to play live games, so there will be a substantial live game minimum.

The Basics -
- 16 teams to start, 2 leagues, 2 divisions of 4 teams each league, until wayyy down the line when expansion starts, then we'll expand the league.

- No Salary Cap in this league, however, to prevent long dynasties that stifle fairness and interest in the league, there will be a champion-handicap that I will detail below.

- No Keeper restrictions - you can have as many keepers as you want up to 25, PLUS as many DL players as you want.

- Player Position Limitations - At any position, you can have a max of (N/16 rounded up) players as keepers, plus 1 utility player (1 extra player at any position). This means, if in 1904 there were 21 Third Basemen to choose from, you can have (21/16 = 1.3=2) 2 Third Basemen. Additionally, you could have a 3rd Third Basemen as your 1 utility player that season, but any more than that, and you'd have to drop one of them from your roster.

- IP Limitations - Rosters must have a minimum of 1100 IP, and a Max of 1800 IP in any given season.

- The Opening draft of the league will be Serpentine (1-16, 16-1, 1-16, etc), with the order determined by random.org's sequencer, sequenced by 3 seperate owners and combined by the commish. All eligible players from 1901 will be drafted in the inaugural draft. If a player is eligible from 1900, but does not play in 1901 and returns in 1902 or later, that player will not be in the inaugural draft, but rather, will emerge in the 1902 draft.

- Further league drafts after the initial league draft will be normal order(1-16, 1-16, 1-16), with the draft order randomized in groups of 4 by the random.org sequencer.

- There is a live game minimum of 50 games by game 120 to be eligible for a top 4 draft pick.

- There is a live game minimum of 80 games by season's end to be eligible for the playoffs.

- You must have 35 wins minimum by game 120 to qualify for a top 4 draft pick

- Draft pick trades are allowed, you may trade picks for the upcoming draft in-season, and during the draft you may trade picks for that draft or the next draft, but no further.

- If you trade a draft pick, you must be eligible for that pick - so if you trade your 4th rounder in season, you must be eligible for that 4th rounder so that you can have legally traded it, ergo, you must have no more than 21 keepers. This is prevent guys from trading picks they don't really have.

- If you trade a draft pick and subsequently don't replace it with another pick from another trade, IE you have 21 keepers, and traded your 2nd and 3rd rounder away - the last two spots will be filled by picks at the end of the draft, in a supplemental draft.

- If the available players list becomes empty before all league rosters are full (and it will happen) owners are to complete their roster with 200k players who will NOT be used in season, but rather sent down to the minors for AAA players.

- There will be 2 Sets of AAA players, 12 position players, 4 pitchers...below average ability. Draft wisely!

- Team Stadiums will be determined by the draft - you can draft a stadium at any time during the Inaugural Draft. That becomes your Stadium/City, and only changes if the team moved in real life, or the stadium changed in real life for that team.






Alright, thats about all I can think of - It may seem like a lot of rules, but it's pretty standard from what i can tell. Bottom line - you need 80 live games to make the playoffs, and 50 live games + 35 wins min to be eligible for a top 4 draft pick.

I encourage owners to have some fun with it, build team pages in the League Forum, name field Managers and coaches, etc. You can do as much or as little as you want, as long as you enjoy it.

Finally, the Dynasty-Prevention Cap. Here's how I see it - If a team wins consecutive World Championships....Wow! Congrats! On behalf of the rest of the owners, I can honestly say - Way to go, you SOB. Now, to prevent you from continuing to beat down on the entire league with impunity - After 2 consecutive Championships, the following season, the team that won it all twice will get slapped with a Luxury tax that freezes their Payroll. For that one season after, they cannot have a payroll higher than they did in the 2nd consecutive Championship season. It can be lower, but not higher. Then, if that team happens to win a 3rd consecutive championship, the following season, the cap for that team gets reduced by 5 million from the previous season. Win 4 championships in a row, another 5 million off the cap, etc, etc. Now, if they win two in a row, have the cap in the third season, then do not win the World Series for a 3rd year in a row, the following year, they have no restriction as before. So the only way to remove the restriction after winning consecutive crowns is to not win the World Series a 3rd (or 4th or 5th) time in a row. Winning one year, not winning in year 2, then winning in year 3 - this has no cap limit for that team, because they weren't consecutive, and thus not a true Dynasty.

Some might say this is kinda draconic, but i say - Hey, if a guy is winning consecutive championships, and everyone else has to sit back and watch them do it without having any equalizer - now there's at least some way to equalize it.



Finally - any of the league rules are open to league vote with some decent justification - just ask the commish, me, and I'll put it to a league vote as part of roster submissions for the next season. That includes the above Champion cap. If you don't like it as a league, we'll turf it.

So who is interested? Comments, Queries? Once we have our 16 owners, preparation will begin!

-Moronman

1/8/2010 4:00 PM
BMBL League Owners

1. Moronman
2. kros2
3. steelerfan19
4. cleonjones
5. benefled
6. Pi_Kapp
7. Acecards
8. besterateam
9. szczubelek
10. sssbomb
11. Conansdad
12. cjnuss7
13. wlj3b
14. sloadrock
15. btown
16. eman7400
1/8/2010 4:01 PM
kros2 is in....we're off and running!
1/8/2010 5:35 PM
I will join.
1/8/2010 6:03 PM
Welcome, steeler!
1/8/2010 6:50 PM
5 in so far...spots are going fast! Get in while you can!
1/8/2010 6:50 PM
I'm in biznatch!
1/8/2010 11:40 PM
Welcome! Acecards is in too...looksl ike Marty's and Sloadock too, waiting on confirmation from them! Filling fast, get in while you can!
1/9/2010 11:09 AM
il join..
1/9/2010 11:42 AM
Glad to have you in! that makes 8 officially in!
1/9/2010 11:45 AM
I'll play
1/9/2010 3:11 PM
I run a 12 team league from the same era (we are just finishing up 1906). There will not be enough players for 16 teams.
1/9/2010 3:13 PM
Welcome aboard, Sz! I've thought of that. Seems to about 281 eligible players in 1901. That's about 17 and a half real players per team. Because the player numbers will increase slowly with each season, I'd rather not go down to twelve, as it will reduce competiveness (no LCS, with just 2 six-team divisions). I will, however, increase the number of AAA players to 16 total, 12 position players and 4 pitchers. That should help out with the player limitations, and we can reduce that way down the road as more and more players become available.

Thoughts on that, everyone?
1/9/2010 4:17 PM
MoronMan this is what i used as an alternative to AAA in my 1901 progressive. Just a suggestion. My reasoning was it was real players not fake ones

"the scrubs"

the scrubs-position players from 1885-1886 with salaries 2 mil or less
Catcher
George Baker (2B,3B,OF)
Kid Baldwin (3B,OF)
Fatty Briody (1B,OF)
Cal Broughton
Doc Bushong (1B)
Bob Clark (SS,OF)
Jack Clements (OF)
Amos Cross
Joe Crotty (1B)
Tony Cusick (1B,OF)
Con Dailey (1B,OF)
Pat Dealy (1B,3B,SS,OF)
Pat Deasley (SS,OF)
Harry Decker (3B,SS,OF)
Tom Dolan (OF)
Silver Flint (1B)
Charlie Ganzel (1B,OF)
Barney Gilligan (2B,3B,SS,OF)
Frank Graves (OF)
Tom Gunning
Mert Hackett (OF)
Lou Hardie (3B,OF)
Jackie Hayes (2B,OF)
Bill Holbert (3B,SS, OF)
Jim Keenan (1B,3B,OF)
Rudy Kemmler (1B)
*Bill Krieg (1B,OF)
Jim McCauley (OF)
Doggie Miller (3B,SS,OF)
George Moolic
George Myers (3B,OF)
Dave Oldfield (SS,OF)
Jimmy Peoples (1B,3B,SS,OF)
Phil Powers (OF)
Charlie Reipschlager (2B,3B,SS,OF)
Frank Ringo (1B,3B,OF)
Pop Snyder (1B,OF)
Dan Sullivan
Sy Sutcliffe (OF)
Pop Tate
Bill Traffley (2B,OF)
Sam Trott (2B,SS,OF)
1st Base
Phil Baker (C,OF)
Charlie Buffington (OF)
Paul Cook (C,OF)
Jim Field
*Bill Krieg
****Frank Mountain
Martin Powell
Milt Scott
Joe Start
Ecky Stearns (C,SS,OF)
2nd Base
Charlie Bassett (C,3B,SS)
Jack Burdock
Sam Crane (SS,OF)
Fred Dunlap (OF)
Jack Farrell
Joe Farrell (3B,OF)
**Davy Force (3B,SS)
Tom Forster (SS,OF)
Elmer Foster (OF)
Gid Gardner (1B,OF)
Joe Gearhardt
Walter Hackett (SS)
Tim Manning (3B,SS)
John Meister
Mike Muldoon (3B)
Al Myers
***Joe Quest (SS,OF)
Dasher Troy (SS,OF)
3rd Base
Hick Carpenter
Ed Caskin (C,SS)
Jumbo Davis
Jerry Denny
Jim Donnelly (1B)
Buck Gladman
Jack Gleason
Frank Hankinson
Denny Lyons
Charlie Morton (SS)
Billy Nash (2B)
George Strief (2B,SS,OF)
Shortstop
Charlie Bastian
Chub Collins
**Davy Force (2B,3B)
Billy Geer
Jim Halpin
Sadie Houck (2B,OF)
Arthur Irwin (2B,3B)
Jimmy Macullar (2B,OF)
Chippy McGarr
Tom McLaughlin (2B,OF)
Joe Miller (2B,3B)
Marr Phillips
***Joe Quest (2B)
John Richmond (OF)
Outfield
Steve Behel
Dick Burns
John Cahill (3B,SS)
John Cassidy
Jim Clinton
Hub Collins (1B,2B,3B,SS)
Larry Corcoran (SS)
Ed Crane (C)
Jim Donahue (C)
Jerry Dorgan
Jake Evans
Ed Glenn
Ed Greer (C)
Mike Hines (C)
Buster Hoover
Joe Hornung
Dick Johnston
Ed Kennedy
Lon Knight
Bill Kuehne (1B,3B)
Fred Lewis
Jim Lillie
Tom Lynch
Jim Manning (SS)
Leech Maskrey (3B)
Tommy McCarthy
Jack McGeachy (2B,3B)
Jim McTamany
Hugh Nichol (2B,3B,SS)
Pat O'Connell (1B)
Tom Poorman
Abner Powell (SS)
Blondie Purcell (SS)
Danny Richardson (2B,3B,SS)
Dave Rowe
Emmett Seery (3B)
Orator Shaffer
George Shoch (SS)
Len Sowders (1B)
Joe Strauss (C)
Billy Sunday
Lou Sylvester
Adonis Terry (3B)
Gurdon Whiteley (C)
Tom York
*Bill Krieg has seasons with his main position C and 1B-he can only be drafted once
**Davy Force has seasons with his main position 2B and SS-he can only be drafted once
***Joe Quest has seasons with his main position 2B and SS-he can only be drafted once
****Frank Mountain has seasons with his main position 1B And P-he can only be drafted once
"the scrubs"

pitchers from 1885 and 1886 with salaries 1. 25 mil or less
Al Bavers
Joe Brown
Elton Chamberlain
John Connor
Dick Conway
Hugh Daily
Bob Emslie
John Henry
George Keefe
Silver King
Jim McCormick
*****Frank Mountain
Bill Mountjoy
Unknown Palmer
Abner Powell
Tom Sullivan
Cannonball Titcomb
Larry Twitchell
Will White

*****Frank Mountain has seasons with his main position 1B And P-he can only be drafted once
1/9/2010 6:08 PM
This added extra players to the draft pool. Any players who appeared 1901 or later are off the list.

The reason players are in bold is because they were the ones drafted.
Only 12 teams so many were not used.
I used this list for 1901 thru 1903.
I then went with 1887-1888 for 1904-1906

Just something to consider as I know many (myself included) don't like AAA fakes
1/9/2010 6:12 PM
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