1st and 2nd in depth chart? Topic

schroedess26
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I was wondering and I assume it comes out what I was thinking it would.

Depth Chart:

PG SG SF
SG1 SG2 SF1
SG2 SF3 SF2
SF2 SF3

Am I to assume that when I sub for the PG position the SG2 will slide over into the PG spot? It won't bring in one of my scrubs right that I don't want playing? I assume this is how it goes just checking to see before my first preseason game of the season.
1/21/2010 2:13 AM
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No - a scrub will come in thre way you currently have it. SG#2 will either be at his starting SG spot or on the bench getting his stamia back most of the time.

I do not suggest you run what you are showing there. Typically starters should not be at the #2 spot in another position.

1/21/2010 2:27 AM
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ah ya thats what I was afraid of
1/21/2010 2:40 AM
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hmmmmm



im going to have to take a closer look at this.

i have done this a fair amount in the past, and allways assumed that SG2 woudl spend a fair amount of time at PG. I do realize that whoever is listed third on the PG line will get some time (so you need to give some thought to who you want in that slot) but , like i said, i think that SG2 would spend a fair amount of time there. my guess (althought there are obviously alot of factors) is that he may get about 10 minutes at PG?

I gotta admit that im not sure about all this... i know i have set things up like this prolly several times per season on average.... maybe more, and havent noticed any crazy stuff, but maybe i havent looked closely enough? i will take a closer look next time and report back.

1/21/2010 5:55 AM
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okay, mully may have a point here, although i only checked one game.

and, its not like the starter doesnt play the other spot at all.... just not as much as i thought.

in the game i checked, my staritng sf (who is listed as #2PF) played about 5-6 minutes at PF.

I still think it is okay to do this, but you need to give serious thought to who is listed #3 in that spot because they will get some time.

i wonder if things would be different if you the #3spot blank and then listed your next best choice as #4?

anyways, my advice is to try stuff like this in exhibition games or in games that are not likely to be close during the regular season. sometimes you will stumble onto something that works for your particular team.
1/21/2010 6:07 AM
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WHat if you listed the starter at PG as the first backup at SG and the starter at SG as the first backup at PG, and then someone else in the third slots?
1/21/2010 7:19 AM
mullycj
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you would still get close to the same result.

The engine is going to put the player in at his starting spot as long as he is not fatigued. If he is fatigued then he will be on the bench. The only times they will show up in that backup role is when other players are fatigued as well and that's probably not a great situation.

Starters should be starters. You CAN list one player to be the backup in 2-3 places however, if you want.
1/21/2010 8:11 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mullycj on 1/21/2010
you would still get close to the same result.

The engine is going to put the player in at his starting spot as long as he is not fatigued. If he is fatigued then he will be on the bench. The only times they will show up in that backup role is when other players are fatigued as well and that's probably not a great situation.

Starters should be starters. You CAN list one player to be the backup in 2-3 places however, if you want.



So you think it's not worth it to list a starter as a backup at another position?

1/21/2010 9:31 AM
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I personally have never found the need to list a starter at another position.

Theoretically your 5 starters are the best available options at their respective positions. I don't know why I would have one of them to spend playing time at a different position.

Like I said though, backups are different.
1/21/2010 9:54 AM
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here's an example, mully:

your PG is a good, all-around PG. Your starting SG is also a good BH/PA guy, but none of the backups are good at anything except PER. or they are, but they're young and have bad IQs.

without a doubt, you need to plan your team better-- but if this is what you end up with, I can see going:

PG1 SG1
SG1 SG2
PG2 SG3

or whatever.
1/21/2010 10:01 AM
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that's what I always thought also but I guess the question what does SIM do?
1/21/2010 10:06 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By wronoj on 1/21/2010
here's an example, mully:

your PG is a good, all-around PG. Your starting SG is also a good BH/PA guy, but none of the backups are good at anything except PER. or they are, but they're young and have bad IQs.

without a doubt, you need to plan your team better-- but if this is what you end up with, I can see going:

PG1 SG1
SG1 SG2
PG2 SG3

or whatever.
Here is what I think will happen with minutes (assuming average STA and tempo). I've tried this before several seasons ago so its from memory. I would agree in the situation you described above, this is probably the best lineup.

Player ........PG...........SG

PG1 ............25 ............0

PG2.............10.............0

SG1 ...........5 ..............20

SG2 .............0.............17

SG3..............0..............3

However, depending on stamina's I've also done the following. In the following example SG2 is actually the best player. I set him at getting tired and set SG1 at fairly fresh.

Player ........PG...........SG

PG1 ............25 ............0

PG2.............4...............0

SG1 ...........0 ..............21

SG2 ............11.............11

SG3..............0..............8
1/21/2010 10:34 AM
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I've tried having lineups where bringing in a sub was intended to slide the other players up or down a position but it has never worked out in the sim world. Works great in the real world where real teams do this all the time (at least in the NBA).
1/21/2010 10:36 AM
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I'm with mully on this subject. Starters should be starters.

I like to have the starter at each position only play that position. Then I try to have a designated backup at each position. That's ten players there. My last two guys might see playing time in a blowout.

My logic is that the starters should play the majority of the minutes and then the backups should get some time to help them grow. If I happen to have a backup and a starter who are close in skills then the split becomes more like 50/50.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with having a backup be the backup at a couple of positions. It's just not what I like to do.
1/21/2010 8:42 PM
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