Hey all,

how important is passing for centers in the triangle? If running the triangle with a center with 31 PA, is it worth spending practice minutes on PA to maintain or try to slightly improve the rating or will it ultimately have little impact on the game?

I would throw 7 minutes on it to keep it from dropping and not worry about growing it.

I agree with Weena. 31 is okay for a C, but I wouldn't let it drop. A C in the triangle just needs to hit the open man when he can't get a good shot off, he doesn't need to get a ton of assists...

I tend to agree with that advice.

Here's a follow up - in a laboratory setting, all other factors being equal, how much better would you expect a team to be that featured a center that was a decent passer over a team with a center in single digits? How much better if the center has a great pass rating? How much of an impact is passing for the center spot I guess would be a simpler way to ask :)

I am not sure how to quantify it but, in my experience, double digit passing is better. In fact, I normally set my search filter to 20 in passing for big men.

I try a little higher. I search for 30+, and drop to 25 only if the search goes poorly

A passing center/PF in the triangle is "MONEY". In the triangle offense everything seems to run through the Low Post game with the Center or Power forward. Thats why LP is "IN MY OPINION" is more important in this offense than Motion or Flex. It's all about setting a good LP game. When the shot is not their like what bdixon said, the Center or Power Forward will pass it out. Esspecially if thier double teamed down low as well.

i find passing to be moderately useful. i would prefer to have it, but it is about the lowest thing on the totem poll that is worth considering, to me. i definitely don't exclude a big man for having 1 passing. maybe 1 passing -> 31 passing is worth about 3-5 rebounding, in my book.

about how to handle the practice time, if he is low potential with areas to improve, i think 0 minutes is a no brainer. if its medium, maybe 5 or so?

The deal is that C passing in the other formations is low priority, so seek out the good passing Cs. As I said I would never take a C lower than 25, and usually find them in the 30s.

I think in the end it will really improve on the OFF side of the ball.

Quote: Originally Posted By dacj501 on 1/23/2010I tend to agree with that advice.

Here's a follow up - in a laboratory setting, all other factors being equal, how much better would you expect a team to be that featured a center that was a decent passer over a team with a center in single digits? How much better if the center has a great pass rating? How much of an impact is passing for the center spot I guess would be a simpler way to ask :

less than 1 pt per game, IMO - but the game is the sum of many 1 pt things,

for example, as a rhetorical return ?, how much would a 95 ath be worth over a 45 ath in that same center? again, less than 1 point or 99 LP vs 45 LP? or 80 sp vs 30 sp. I had one of the best coaches right now in the game tell me I was a fool for not valuing PER in big men, how much then would 50 per be worth vs 1??? And so on and so on and so on - They can't all be worth 5 or 6 pts, or a team with a near perfect center would win by 40 points?

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great passing in a center in triangle vs motion or flex or fb is probably not worth more than 1/10th of a pt per game if indeed it is worth anything at all

I have not seen any clear cut evidence that any rating factor really helps any offensive setting all that much over another setting, with the exception one had better have stamina & depth if one wants to FB

I have played all 4 offenses over the years and the only one that I recruited differently for was FB. I understand how the other offenses work in theory. Besides stamina and speen for FB, does anyone feel that there are specific attributes that work better in flex vs. motion vs. triangle?

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Just asking, what is the turnover factor is center's passing ability. Often times you see centers with over 2.5 turnovers per game? Would it hurt to put 11 minutes into passing, this way he can improve, still hit his max potential.

In the past, before the potential implementation, I almost never tried to improve passing with centers, however since the change and all other categories eventually max out, I figured it's worth a shot.

Quote: Originally Posted By jetsons on 1/24/2010I have played all 4 offenses over the years and the only one that I recruited differently for was FB. I understand how the other offenses work in theory. Besides stamina and speen for FB, does anyone feel that there are specific attributes that work better in flex vs. motion vs. triangle

In the triangle offense everything seems to run through the Low Post game with the Center or Power forward. Thats why LP is "IN MY OPINION" is more important in this offense than Motion or Flex. It's all about setting a good LP game





Not saying it is not good for the motion or flex, But in HD terms of offense 101 a LP threat really is not needed in the flex. I know LP it really helpful in the motion offense as well with the 3our 2 in or the 4our 1in sets, but I know IRL with the triangle offense, the offense goes through the Low Post.