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colonels19
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This team is the #1 overall seed in the PI in Tark this season

1 color="#356988" Washburn (12-17, 58)


FWIW, they were 7-9 in conference as well...yes they did have the #1 SOS, but IRL, a team like this would NEVER be the #1 overall seed in the NIT. Too much emphasis on RPI and not enough on winning presumably...play a good schedule and you're in, and on top.
3/9/2010 10:53 AM
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Loss Margins...

30, 15, 28, 14, 22, 13, 22, 14, 15, 4, 11, 14, 7, 5, 19, 3, 7

Double digit losses 12 times...over 20, 4 times.

Are tournament seeds being determined differently after the update or? Playing a great schedule is nice. Getting your *** kicked by almost all of them dilutes/should dilute the fact that you played a great schedule. Not saying they shouldn't be a PI team, just saying the #1 overall seed is a joke...again.

Again, can we use something more concrete than almost solely RPI?
3/9/2010 11:00 AM
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the seeding mechanism pays too much attention to rpi, IMO
3/9/2010 11:10 AM
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Just to add some context, the highest rated below .500 teams in BPI the last two seasons were 2009 Iowa (95th) and currently 2010 Georgia (98th). Both were less than the 5 games under that Washburn was, but if a rating system similar to mine were used, those teams would be 8 seeds in the PI and last ones in at that. FWIW, I added a win bonus to my rankings this year, thus last year it was easier to rank higher with a below .500 record than this year.
3/9/2010 11:26 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 3/09/2010if a rating system similar to mine were used,
UGH!!
3/9/2010 11:54 AM
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Pretty sure this wouldn't happen in real life because in real life you can't have a losing record and make the NIT.
3/9/2010 11:58 AM
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In real life, they pretty much seed the NIT pairings based upon who can sell the most tickets over the first 3 rounds.

Maybe Washburn has a rapid fan base and within the world of HD they built a new arena that seats 25,000 fans and it will be SRO at this opening round game. Maybe...
3/9/2010 12:00 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by kmasonbx on 3/09/2010Pretty sure this wouldn't happen in real life because in real life you can't have a losing record and make the NIT.

100% Incorrect. Not under the current rules. Read up on the UNC message boards.
3/9/2010 12:22 PM
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First of all, let me just say I'd rather have Simmy Simpkins punch me in the junk than play in the PI, so I could care less how it's seeded.

That said, colonel's overall point that the PI is too reliant on rpi is a correct one.
3/9/2010 12:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By powerofpig on 3/09/2010
Quote: Originally posted by kmasonbx on 3/09/2010 Pretty sure this wouldn't happen in real life because in real life you can't have a losing record and make the NIT.

100% Incorrect. Not under the current rules. Read up on the UNC message boards


Unless things have changed within the last few years you do have to have at least a .500 record to be in the NIT.

And colonels. Either put up or shut up. You talk about your awesome amazing rankings yet you have failed to provide anyone with any substance to rate your idea on.

I say it again, put up or shut up. All you ever do is ***** about WIS and more specifically seble. Your act is older then diablos because you likely have a better brain on your shoulders yet continue to spew this **** time and time again.

Put up or shut up.
3/9/2010 12:33 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 3/09/2010
First of all, let me just say I'd rather have Simmy Simpkins punch me in the junk than play in the PI, so I could care less how it's seeded.

That said, colonel's overall point that the PI is too reliant on rpi is a correct one.

I won't disagree with that dalt, but the fact is there are many many many factors that are used IRL that we can't (don't) use in HD and because of that RPI has to play a bigger role. I would love to find a solution that allowed rpi to just be a part of the equation (as it should be) instead of a majority of it (as it is in HD). But we don't have the human factor in HD, as we do IRL.
3/9/2010 12:35 PM
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Overall seedings (including NT) need to take quality of wins into account. As colonels said, just playing a tough schedule and getting your *** kicked by everyone isn't really worth a damn. (See, I have no problem agreeing with you on some things, colonels!)
3/9/2010 12:36 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By kannc6 on 3/09/2010
Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 3/09/2010 if a rating system similar to mine were used
UGH!
Like it or not, I was providing a point of reference. If you'd like a different one, Georgia is currently ranked 93rd in Massey comparison of about 40-50 CBB systems. You act like I posted my web address here...man get over it.
3/9/2010 12:40 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/09/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 3/09/2010

First of all, let me just say I'd rather have Simmy Simpkins punch me in the junk than play in the PI, so I could care less how it's seeded.

That said, colonel's overall point that the PI is too reliant on rpi is a correct one.

I won't disagree with that dalt, but the fact is there are many many many factors that are used IRL that we can't (don't) use in HD and because of that RPI has to play a bigger role. I would love to find a solution that allowed rpi to just be a part of the equation (as it should be) instead of a majority of it (as it is in HD). But we don't have the human factor in HD, as we do IRL
I agree with this, too. But there are other factors (quality wins being a major one) that they absolutely can and should factor in more.
3/9/2010 12:47 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/09/2010Unless things have changed within the last few years you do have to have at least a .500 record to be in the NIT.

And colonels. Either put up or shut up. You talk about your awesome amazing rankings yet you have failed to provide anyone with any substance to rate your idea on.

I say it again, put up or shut up. All you ever do is ***** about WIS and more specifically seble. Your act is older then diablos because you likely have a better brain on your shoulders yet continue to spew this **** time and time again
Put up or shut up.
To a degree I already have put up...I showed how high the highest below .500 teams ranked in my rankings, providing a point of reference, thus I was showing you there. You know I would love to rank all divisions in all worlds, and I have sought the information via customer support (as have others...schrodess...) and they said they wouldn't provide me with a scores database for each world. Call me crazy, but I think part of the reason they've declined the request is because they don't want their users to potentially see something better than what they have currently...among other reasons (ease of information transfer, etc).

I'm confident in saying that my rankings would properly order and seed better than the current WIS format...not knocking WIS, I'm just saying what I believe. Zach if you want to see what I've done as far as rankings go, my website documents it pretty clearly, and the rankings you see there are basically the same rankings you would see if my system were used for WIS...and yes they would work just as well.

I probably will be pitching an idea WIS' way concerning my rankings and WIS GCs...it would be a business deal, so we'll see if/how that turns out...still fine tuning a few things before I present it.

Lastly, I would just like to thank all of you to this point for a positive/non-personal debate thus far...let's keep it up :).
3/9/2010 12:49 PM
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