What kind of shot does my D3 team have in this battle? I've never gotten into a real battle with a D2 team, so a reality check would be appreciated.

My team:
D3, 6 schollies open, A prestige, #12 RPI last season, 1 player already at the recruit's position , recruit is 60 mi away

The other "guy":
D2, Sim AI, 9 schollies open, C- prestige, RPI in the 200's last season, no players already at the recruit's position, recruit is ~700 mi away

None. Simply put, even a A+ D3 team would lose most battles to a D D2 team. Not worth putting your money on. Surpised he even talked to you. Stunned actually.

A bit of helpful info for you. Previous season's RPI has no bearing on recruiting. Nor does players currently at that position. Just so you know. Also all sims recruit at 200 miles away, so don't look at 700 and think that is their number.

Don't do it. That sim is going to launch a bunch of money into the recruit (and that money's going to be used like the sim's at 200 miles, not 700.)

Unless that recruit is somehow in the intersection of "world-beaters that are head and shoulders above anyone else you could get" and "recruits that no B- or C+ DII human would want to take from you should you even win that battle against the sim," my instinct would be not to do it.


You seem to be in a relatively strong position to battle, but I just don't think it's ever worth it to battle a higher-division Sim.

I think people have an unrealistic fear of recruiting against sims when you're pulling recruits down. I haven't done it much in D3 because of having less money, but I've taken recruits from D1 sims with my D2 team a bunch of times. Usually when sims go after players that schools at the lower division can get those recruits usually aren't a priority and they don't put much effort into them.

Personally in these situations I like to wait to see what the Word on the Street says. If it says he's very open to other offers or he's not sold then you'll be able to take him. It may take a lot of effort, like 15 HVs but you shouldn't have much of a problem taking him away.

I would wait tell the first cycle that is available ans see waht the fss says. if its very tight then I would think twice about it if it is less then I would take him easily. at that distance I would do 10 visits to start and at 60 miles ;-)

kmasonbx, Word on the Street says "[Sim team] seems to be the favorite - for now." The recruit has told me I'm a backup.

Thanks for the very helpful feedback. Just curious - would you feel any differently about my chances if either:

a. I had more open schollies than my Sim competition?
b. I was willing to make time / start promises?

you absolutely can win this player. i have won so many players off d2 humans from d3, hearing all the "no chances" against a puny sim is pretty comical. based on the word on the street message, this is not a guy the sim has put a lot of money into. you can probably win this player for 6-9k or so, and very possibly less. i wouldn't be surprised if 4-5k could do it, but you'd likely have to wait until the end to win the player.

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also, i should add, the prestige advantage of a d- d2 school over an a+ d3 school is pretty small in my opinion. i believe its just a third letter grade, and is the same as the difference between an a/a+ d3, or d-/d d2 school. the big difference maker is how much money you get per scholarship. and because prestige is small, distance can often be the great equalizer.

I'd just say that the cash involved between D3 and D2 makes this situation even more prohibative. Say he COULD get him, it would cost him more than I personally think it would be worth... 9k is nearly 1/2 his money. Not sure of the quality of the recruit, but even if he were to get on him, I'd question the value of said recruit for that kind of money.

Jumping on what, gil said, the sim is a C-, not a D-, and he is an A not an A- so we are talking about more than two letter grades and much less cash. But you do have more experience recruiting at that level, so I'll gladly defer to your expertice.

Bhandsalid

a. More scholarships do not affect a recruit, just gives you more cash to play with. You are at 6 scholarships, which is the maximum amount for which you would get recruiting money. Anything over 6 doesn't add more cash.

b. Starts and minutes do help, but generally only provide benefits in close battles. They ARE cheap, so throwing them out early doesn't hurt, but with the new engine, the recruits won't take some promises until recruiting has reached a certain level.

I don't know billyg I kind've think that response is a notch above the responses I referred to in the post above and right below the *tight* and very high priority response. I say this because I'm currently recruiting a guy who I've down 20 scouting trips, 15 HVs and promised 15 minutes and have that same response for that recruit. It may actually be difficult to take that recruit away.

Kmason, there are only two types of responses -- ones indicating that the recruit is high priority, and ones indicating that he's not. If you're trying to read in between the lines to look for a low/low vs. low/mid vs. low/high, etc. then you're looking for something that isn't there.

billyg is correct in that you can sign players in this type of situation. However, I'll add that it is a bit of a crapshoot. You may luck out and get a guy for $5K, but I've also spent $10K (and talked to others who did the same) and not gotten the guy. So if you're estimating how much you're going to need, I'd estimate high. If it ends up being less, that's just gravy.

New Word on the Street: "[Sim team] likes him, but he may not be a priority for them."

Yeah, I'll have to decide if he's worth taking a risk on. He's clearly better than any other player I'm considering at his position, but obviously in D3, I'd take a big hit if I spent $6-10K and didn't get him.

I mean I'm not sure about it, but I was just going by what I've seen, for me to put in 15 HVs. and 20 scouting trips with a 15 minute promise that should indicate he's a pretty high priority. I've also never seen that response when I've just put in the bare minimum for a recruit, or at least I don't remember but I could be wrong.

Quote: Originally Posted By bhansalid00 on 4/23/2010kmasonbx, Word on the Street says "[Sim team] seems to be the favorite - for now." The recruit has told me I'm a backup.

Thanks for the very helpful feedback. Just curious - would you feel any differently about my chances if either:

a. I had more open schollies than my Sim competition?
b. I was willing to make time / start promises?

But, since he is only listed as a backup option, wouldn't the fact that the player is already considering a D2 school pretty much rule out any chance that he might have at getting the player.