High avg, high slg, that's been my most successful teams of late.

In $80 MM OL, punting two full positions (usually 1B and RF but sometimes IB and 3B), spreading about $36 MM around the other 6 positions, a lot of speed from my infielders at the top of the order, a good Ozzie at short, lots of power in the OF in the middle of the order, $42-$43 MM for my pitching staff, 3-man rotations usually anchored by someone like Addie Joss `08 with good 100 IP+ long relievers and a killer closer.

most starting pitching in an OL is now deadball with OAV+ in the 105 range. If you understand the game then you know what type of bats to buy to counteract that.

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Quote: Originally posted by cameraeye on 4/25/2010most starting pitching in an OL is now deadball with OAV+ in the 105 range. If you understand the game then you know what type of bats to buy to counteract that.

Not quite sure what you are implying there. 105 is really low so high avg hitters would be great, bu the deadballers I see generally have OAV+ in the 120-135 range.

its that groundhog day thing of seeing Addie Joss '08. In any event lets assume, arguendo, that most deadball pitchers in OLs are 125+. The same principal would hold true because they are not going to give up the long ball and they generally have quite low BB/9. Scoring runs is more than high average of course...

Quote: Originally posted by cameraeye on 4/25/2010its that groundhog day thing of seeing Addie Joss '08.  In any event lets assume, arguendo, that most deadball pitchers in OLs are 125+.  The same principal would hold true because they are not going to give up the long ball and they generally have quite low BB/9.  Scoring runs is more than high average of course...

So it's essentially the strategy I said earlier, high avg with high slg. How you achieve the high slg is a different matter.

And I do think the most efficient way to score runs these days is high avg. Most deadballers have a poor normalized oav. Look at the 12.7M Joss for example. His .197 oav normalizes to .210. The cy young seasons normalizes 20 points worse to the .23-.25 range. Throw these pitchers against my .350-.400 hitting lajoie, joe jackson, mcgee, etc. and they won't hold up.

Addie Joss holds up. My understanding of the log5 formula used to determine the result of the play is that the raw number .197 is equally important as the normalized .210 and the result is a compromise between the two. That's how deadballers hold a double advantage, obviously low HR numbers plus unusually low raw whips. (LOL that sounds nasty!)

Yes looks like 1908 Joss is the new 1886 Bob Caruthers.Seams like you face him at least once in every series.

I have experimenting with range teams.

addie joss and mathewson have become like caruthers. i'm guilty of this. these two with a few quality range players are dynomite

when I first cam back from exile last fall I won with low avg high HR teams that walked a lot. Just in this short time tho the dynamic has shifted with more and more dead ball guys. The result being I could not compete b/c i couldnt get the big fly.

...which is really weird, because deadballers were all the rage before last fall's update too. The update was supposed to mitigate that by punishing the defenses behind deadballers - even moreso when an old-timer was batting.

Thing is, I have a HR team that's working out just fine. Not sure what's up.

AVG+ in Palace of the Fans.