It sucks when a departing FA is designated type A because of a high ovr rating, when their on-field performance only merits a type B designation. It would be nice if the team that the player is leaving could re-designate a player as type B if they think that no-one will be willing to give up a pick to get said player. Better than nothing I'd say. Thoughts?

Take it up with the MLB. If they change the rule, so will WiS.

That's not a great response. I don't believe MLB bases their type A and B FA on 'ratings.' It's on statistics, which would solve the problem here somewhat.

Quote: Originally posted by FishNasty on 5/09/2010That's not a great response.  I don't believe MLB bases their type A and B FA on 'ratings.'  It's on statistics, which would solve the problem here somewhat.

Completely inaccurate. MLB uses a list compiled by Elias Sports Bureau to determine type A/B free agents. Elias sports bureau creates ratings for the players using their own criteria which is similar to HBD ratings. Of course they don't give ratings breakdowns like we have but they do have one overall rating for each player. MLB does not determine the type A/B FA's as suggested by fish and they certainly don't use stats to determine what designation each FA should get.

Ok, well then I stand corrected.

Thanks for clearing that up timf.

Quote: Originally Posted By timf on 5/09/2010

Quote: Originally posted by FishNasty on 5/09/2010
That's not a great response. I don't believe MLB bases their type A and B FA on 'ratings.' It's on statistics, which would solve the problem here somewhat.

Completely inaccurate. MLB uses a list compiled by Elias Sports Bureau to determine type A/B free agents. Elias sports bureau creates ratings for the players using their own criteria which is similar to HBD ratings. Of course they don't give ratings breakdowns like we have but they do have one overall rating for each player. MLB does not determine the type A/B FA's as suggested by fish and they certainly don't use stats to determine what designation each FA should get.

well what are elias rankings based on? observed physical tools and skills?...no, they are based on stats...it is an area that HBD varies from MLB, but one that is based on sound reasoning imho

What I think timf is trying to say is that the Elias rating is a component rating, with stats only being one part of it. Perceived physical ability/talent would almost certainly be another part. Say for instance Brandon Inge and A-Rod are both FAs and Inge had better stats for the previous season. Elias Sports is smart enough not to rank Inge ahead of A-Rod.

His comment was in response to Fish that basically just said its all based on stats which if purely based on stats would be a horrible decision

but that's not the case...last year Andy Pettitte and Joel Pinero were type B's, while Darren Oliver was a type A...i'm almost positive the rankings are based entirely on stats over a two year period (they seem to be very secretive about the formula, but i've never heard it mentioned there was a component other than stats) and if based on their formula Brandon Inge 'outperformed' Alex Rodriguez, he would be ranked higher regardless of the common perception of the players

I thought I heard tell of players lobbying the union to let them downgrade themselves to type Bs so that they are more signable.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/10/stats-used-for.html

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Quote: Originally posted by firemanrob on 5/09/2010What I think timf is trying to say is that the Elias rating is a component rating, with stats only being one part of it. Perceived physical ability/talent would almost certainly be another part. Say for instance Brandon Inge and A-Rod are both FAs and Inge had better stats for the previous season. Elias Sports is smart enough not to rank Inge ahead of A-Rod.

His comment was in response to Fish that basically just said its all based on stats which if purely based on stats would be a horrible decision

It's not a component rating, perceived physical ability/talent is not a part of it.

Elias Sports is not smart enough to rank anyone ahead of anyone else, they've had some real head scratching classifications in the past because they use an inflexible formula, there is no subjectivity present.

Elias sports only uses stats. In fact, when Mike Lowell and ARod were both free agents a few years ago, Lowell was actually ranked ahead of ARod partly because Elias highly values fielding percentage.

I like it when my players are designated Type A. I can either let them walk for picks, or sign them at the end of FA at way below market value.

i like trading for high overall players with sucky ratings. you don't have to give up too much in the trade, then you let them walk and get 2 picks. odd are if they have a high enough OVL they have some useful skills like defense i can put to my advantage.



i've done this twice now, worked out both times.