In my amateur draft I took a guy that was "unlikely to sign". It was by all accounts a poor draft pool. So the good news is I got the guy I wanted. The bad news is, I still don't know if he'll sign. So my question is, is there anything I can do to make him more likely to sign? If not, what do I need to do to insure that I get a supplemental pick for him in next years draft?

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/ProspectProfile.aspx?pid=3352578 - Here's the player in question, I offered him the 6.5mil he asked for.

Offer his demands. He will either sign, or come back asking for more. If he doesnt sign you get a Type D

Do not offer more than what he asks. If he wants more he will tell you. Be patient!

If he comes back asking for more, he'll accept it if you offer it, so if you'd prefer to have the Type D pick next season, don't offer his secondary demands. If you do like him at the price he's asking for, then offer and he'll accept. Until he gets back to you, you'll just have to wait in limbo, w/ the 6.5 mil unavailable. As soon as he declines you can use that 6.5 mil anywhere you like, either on another player or as part of his increased demands.

Excellent. Thank you for the input. If I get him, great, I think it's a good pick at 13, if not I get a draft pick and the hopes that next years player pool is deeper. Thanks for all the replies.

Quote: Originally posted by taz21 on 5/13/2010If he comes back asking for more, he'll accept it if you offer it, so if you'd prefer to have the Type D pick next season, don't offer his secondary demands.  If you do like him at the price he's asking for, then offer and he'll accept.  Until he gets back to you, you'll just have to wait in limbo, w/ the 6.5 mil unavailable.  As soon as he declines you can use that 6.5 mil anywhere you like, either on another player or as part of his increased demands.

I don't think this is correct, if the player turns down your offer you get the Type D pick; if you don't meet his demands, even on the comeback offer, you don't get the compensation.

Disagree. If you meet a players second demands, he always signs I believe. Therefore you would never get a D pick

Quote: Originally posted by jiml60 on 5/13/2010

Quote: Originally posted by taz21 on 5/13/2010If he comes back asking for more, he'll accept it if you offer it, so if you'd prefer to have the Type D pick next season, don't offer his secondary demands.  If you do like him at the price he's asking for, then offer and he'll accept.  Until he gets back to you, you'll just have to wait in limbo, w/ the 6.5 mil unavailable.  As soon as he declines you can use that 6.5 mil anywhere you like, either on another player or as part of his increased demands.

I don't think this is correct, if the player turns down your offer you get the Type D pick; if you don't meet his demands, even on the comeback offer, you don't get the compensation.

You get a type D pick if you meet his initial demands precisely, and then do not bother to even make a second offer (after his increased demands).

I'd really like to sign him. I should have the money and I think he's worth it.

So, from what I understand, I've given him his initial demand, if he asks for more, he'll sign provided I show him the money. If not, he'll say he's not signing, I'll have the money back to use how I see fit, and I'll get a type D next season. Is that right?

yeah

Quote: Originally posted by drwtsn on 5/13/2010I'd really like to sign him.  I should have the money and I think he's worth it.  So, from what I understand, I've given him his initial demand, if he asks for more, he'll sign provided I show him the money.  If not, he'll say he's not signing, I'll have the money back to use how I see fit, and I'll get a type D next season.  Is that right?

I can't say for certain about part 1 of that. I haven't had to do it often enough to feel confident saying he will *always* sign if you show him the (increased demand) money. But it may be correct.

As for part 2, once he responds by either rejecting your initial-demand-meeting offer or countering with increased demands, you are set as far as Type D.

He may sign for less than his second demand too. It's not so cut and dried. I had a pick whose initial demand was around 6M; his second demand was about 10, which exceeded what I had in prospect budget. When the internationals went dry, I simply offered what was of my prospect budget...about 9.3M. He rejected.

I offered again. He rejected again. Over and over and over. Until the playoffs started. Then out of the blue, he accepted.

Be patient. But there is a chance.

I would have to concur with SilentP and Zbrent.

Another thing, even if he tells you he wants to play college ball or football or whatever his excuse and isn't interested in signing, if you really like him you can offer him again and he might come back and decide to sign w/ you.

I had a draft pick about 4 seasons ago who's initial demands were for like 2.5 mil, but he was contemplating a professional basketball offer, despite being a slow 5-9ish type first baseman. Anyhoo, after a week or so, he came back and told me he was going to play professional basketball, so thanks but no thanks (no secondary demands, he just wasn't going to sign). So I decided what the heck, and offerred him 4.5 mil to see what he would say. After thinking about it for another week or something, he came back and told me that he would sign, but his initial demands had gone up, to 3.5 mil. So the 4.5 mil was rejected, w/ the new demands of 3.5 that I offerred and he signed w/ my club.

Quote: Originally Posted By taz21 on 5/14/2010

Another thing, even if he tells you he wants to play college ball or football or whatever his excuse and isn't interested in signing, if you really like him you can offer him again and he might come back and decide to sign w/ you.

I had a draft pick about 4 seasons ago who's initial demands were for like 2.5 mil, but he was contemplating a professional basketball offer, despite being a slow 5-9ish type first baseman. Anyhoo, after a week or so, he came back and told me he was going to play professional basketball, so thanks but no thanks (no secondary demands, he just wasn't going to sign). So I decided what the heck, and offerred him 4.5 mil to see what he would say. After thinking about it for another week or something, he came back and told me that he would sign, but his initial demands had gone up, to 3.5 mil. So the 4.5 mil was rejected, w/ the new demands of 3.5 that I offerred and he signed w/ my club.

That's odd. I've never seen that before. Every time I've had a guy flat out reject an offer that met his demands, the system takes away the opportunity to even give another offer. In my experience, once they say "no", it's over. No more negotiating.