In my most recent game, I had it set to double to double-team the opposing team's leading scorer "always" and the second leading scorer "if leading scorer" as part of a 2-3 zone. The 2nd leading scorer goes off early, against the double-team, so I in effect double-teamed the two of them for the entire game.

Top guy ended up 9/16, 5/10 from 3 for 23 points along with 4 assists and 4 turnovers.

#2 scorer (leader this whole game) ended up 10/14, 3/6 from 3, 2/2 from the line for 25 points with 0 assists and 1 turnover.

Seriously? Would they have gone for 40+ each without the double-team?

I've heard all about how the new settings allow for better game-planning than under the old engine (which I didn't experience) but if I can't stop (or even slow down) 2 good (not great) DIII players by double-teaming them for the whole game, I have to wonder whether I am somehow missing some settings or options.

Any ideas, explanations, or suggestions?

The double-team didn't work very will in the old system. It would reduce the number of attempts, but it seemed that the guy open would have a terrific game.

Most coaches stopped DT a long time ago. I haven't tried it with the new engine.

Anyone else have experience with DT?

in general, DT was effective only if you had guys with good speed and reasonably good IQ in the defense - the way that I thought about was that if your guys were not fast enough they would be on their way to double but get there too late

beyond that, the DT has not for some time had much effect - but for sure not much effect unless fast enough and good enough IQ

take a look at relative speed

then also take a look at passing of the opponents other players and passing and ballhandling of the guys being doubled - if they were really strong, the DT would again have less effect

finally, doubling two guys is less effective than doubling one - cause your guys are running all over trying to double and leaving folks open - including leaving open one of the guys you want to double while he doesnt have the ball

you may want to see how effective the double was during the periods in which the second guy was NOT the leading scorer - did it work then on the guy where you went always DT....if the second guy was their leading scorer all game, then the short answer is that doubling two guys is usually a bad idea

According to the most recent of the developer chats dealing with double-terms in a zone, it causes the defenders to play a matchup zone with respect to the doubled players, so there shouldn't be a ton of "running all over" - at least compared to a man-to-man defense with two double-teams.

As far as the doubling when only one of the guys was on the floor (because the second guy was the leading scorer the entire game) here are the events involving him -

1st Half

Fitzgerald comes out at 12:25

09:46 Terry Miles misses long on a 3 pointer from the wing
09:22 Terry Miles is fouled in the backcourt by Jeffrey Wright - foul #1 on Jeffrey Wright, team foul #3

Fitzgerald returns at 9:22.

Fitzgerald comes out at 6:56.

06:35 Terry Miles connects on the pull-up jumper from the right wing on a great pass from Robert Shoe
05:47 Terry Miles drills a 3 from the corner on a nice dish by David Shankle

Fitzgerald returns at 4:32.

2nd Half

Fitzgerald comes out at 14:52.

14:17 Terry Miles connects on the 3pt attempt from straight away on a nice dish by Donald Cook

13:41 Terry Miles knocks in the 3pt attempt from the corner

Fitzgerald returns at 12:51.

Fitzgerald and Miles both come out at 10:10. Miles returns at 9:04.

08:47 Terry Miles scores on a 3 pointer from the wing on a nice dish by Donald Cook

08:17 Terry Miles double dribbles

Fitzgerald returns at 8:17.

Fitzgerald comes out at 7:02.

06:24 Terry Miles can't connect on a 3pt attempt from straight away

At 5:57 I switch to full court press because I am down 10+, so no double-teams.

Fitzgerald returns at 5:00.


So, by my math, Miles was on the court for 9:48 without Fitzgerald, during which time he should have been the only one doubled.

In that time, Miles went 4-for-6 from 3-point range and 1-for-1 from inside the arc. He also drew one foul and turned the ball over once.

bump

short answer, it isnt very effective, esp not doubling two guys - subject to some of the comments made by folks above

At the beginning of the season double teams seemd to have no affect and if anything made the player shoot better in my limited sample, however lately it seems to be limiting the player a bunch. The odd thing is it seems the player being double teamed doesn't shoot any less and may even shoot a bit more when being double teamed. For example I had a guy get double teamed who was averaging 17 shots a game take 19 shots and shoot 6-19.

Does anyone know conclusively if the dt in the zone is a true box and 1 and/or triangle and 2 where the defense is covering the 1-2 offensive players throughout the entire possession or just when they have get the ball?

Isn't a true box-1 four that play zone and one that plays m2m?

If that's the case and if HD plays a true box and 1, I'd like to see the defensive ratings of the one player affecting the outcome. In a true box-1 no one is really open and no one really is shooting over a double team. The four in the box are really guarding the 4 offensive players not being guarded by the one defender.

although I have seen, I have played, a box and one where one guy is man up and the other four help on that guy when he is their zone...trapping, doubling him when he has the ball for example....

I have no clue how the DT works here

From another thread:

In 2005, a zone with a double-team was described as a box-and-1.

with the description of double teaming out of a zone to be a box and one, does man to man IQ have any bearing on how productive the double team will be or is it all based on zone IQ? (thethrill10 - All*Star - 3:57 PM)
It's all still based on zone - the "one" in the box and one has only one responsibility and that's to follow that player wherever he goes.
http://www.whatifsports.com/devchat/devchat.asp?chatid=11

In 2007, it was described not as a box-and-1, but as a matchup zone.

Defensive Alignment: Is a zone with 1 double team REALLY equal to a match up zone, or is it a box and 1? I've heard different answers from all parties. (mlatsko1 - Hall of Famer - 4:29 PM)
A zone with double-teams treated by the engine as a matchup zone (unlike a box and 1 where the keyed player is guarded man to man for the entire possession).
http://www.whatifsports.com/devchat/devchat.asp?chatid=52


That's as "conclusive" as I've seen, though I agree I'd much prefer a box-and-1 where the one player's D rating (and maybe M2M D IQ) play a role.