Seriously? 72 fouls/95FT Topic

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I thought this crap was fixed.

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5872175

Neither team goes uptempo.  I play man-to-man with pretty good D2 def ratings.

193 points.

72 fouls

6 foul outs/5 guys with 4 fouls

95 FTA

And through all of this, the one guy who doesn't foul out is the 49 spd/24 def PG trying to guard a 94 spd/99 bh PG.

If we had both gone uptempo there wouldn't have been ten players left in game.

And yes, I am complaining, but I did have homecourt and about a one billion point on-court rating advantage. 
6/24/2010 3:52 AM (edited)
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Oh, and I promise this will be the last thread I start, but I am super, super annoyed by this particular game for a bunch of reasons.  I also understand that posting crap like this annoys other people.  So I'll stop.  But if this is how the new engine is going to be at lower levels, count me out, which is too bad, because I used to love D2/D3.
6/24/2010 3:50 AM
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Posted by isack24 on 6/24/2010 3:52:00 AM (view original):
I thought this crap was fixed.

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5872175

Neither team goes uptempo.  I play man-to-man with pretty good D2 def ratings.

193 points.

72 fouls

6 foul outs/5 guys with 4 fouls

95 FTA

And through all of this, the one guy who doesn't foul out is the 49 spd/24 def PG trying to guard a 94 spd/99 bh PG.

If we had both gone uptempo there wouldn't have been ten players left in game.

And yes, I am complaining, but I did have homecourt and about a one billion point on-court rating advantage. 
Dowling is playing a fastbreak offense and a fullcourt press (+1).

Is this not considered uptempo?

Also, the score with 1 minute left to play was 86-78. In the next minute, when intentional fouling began, one team scored 12 points on 12/18 FT. In that same minute, the intentionally fouling team scored 17 point, including 4 three-pointers.

6/24/2010 4:01 AM
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No, that's not uptempo.

I'm not sure that changes anything.  If anything, it adds to the game's ridiculousness that 30 points were scored in the final minute.  Take out the intentional fouls, and there are still 75 FTs shot in a game with no uptempo and one team playing motion/man.

To be honest, a lot of the stupid games I see have someone either playing press or fastbreak.  Just get rid of these things as base offenses/defenses already.
6/24/2010 4:13 AM
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Posted by zbrent716 on 6/24/2010 4:01:00 AM (view original):
Posted by isack24 on 6/24/2010 3:52:00 AM (view original):
I thought this crap was fixed.

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5872175

Neither team goes uptempo.  I play man-to-man with pretty good D2 def ratings.

193 points.

72 fouls

6 foul outs/5 guys with 4 fouls

95 FTA

And through all of this, the one guy who doesn't foul out is the 49 spd/24 def PG trying to guard a 94 spd/99 bh PG.

If we had both gone uptempo there wouldn't have been ten players left in game.

And yes, I am complaining, but I did have homecourt and about a one billion point on-court rating advantage. 
Dowling is playing a fastbreak offense and a fullcourt press (+1).

Is this not considered uptempo?

Also, the score with 1 minute left to play was 86-78. In the next minute, when intentional fouling began, one team scored 12 points on 12/18 FT. In that same minute, the intentionally fouling team scored 17 point, including 4 three-pointers.

That's normal tempo unless it specifically says uptempo.  Gotta agree with you Isack, that's pretty ridiculous.
6/24/2010 5:19 AM
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Fast break offense would still result in more possessions than a normal offensive set, right?

Team not running the FCP/FB would have had 28 fouls, high but within the realm of a normal team.

His team had 38 ... high, but he is running FCP.

Were there too many fouls, yes.  Where there games where both teams shot that many in 2009-2010 ... yes.  The most free throws in one game was 99, 67 for one team and 32 for the other ... one team had 43 fouls, the other 26 in that game.
6/24/2010 12:34 PM
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So there actually wasn't a game where there were more fouls committed?

And what about 30 points in one minute?

I'm shocked that you're justifying this as being with an acceptable range.

Of course there aren't "uptempo" settings in real life, but I'm assuming that was a pretty fast-paced game in real life.  Would you say it's fair to make that assumption? 

Well imagine if both either team had gone uptempo in this game.  Imagine both teams going uptempo.  We would have shot 150 FTs.  Everyone would have fouled out.  Would that still be acceptable? 

And one team running fastbreak/press doesn't change the fact that I ran motion/man.  At normal settings, this should not have been an exceptionally fast-paced game.
6/24/2010 2:34 PM
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Fastbreak is essentially an umptempo offense regardless if it specifially states it's uptempo and Dowling does not have the stamina to be a fastbreak/press team. Your team stamina also isn't very good and your IQs are low which causes lots of foul. The fouls really don't seem that ridiculous however the 30 points in the last minute is silly.
The fact that the other team is running FB/Press it should tire your guys out quicker because you're forced to play faster.
6/24/2010 2:44 PM
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I totally disagree with your first sentence.  If fastbreak is "essentially an uptempo offense," then what would uptempo fastbreak be?  Uptempo uptempo?  The point is, two teams running normal should NEVER produce these results.
6/24/2010 3:05 PM
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Go watch a Phoenix Suns game and then tell me the FB isn't uptempo. Wait a minute, doesn't FB stand for "FASTbreak"? Correct me if I'm wrong
6/24/2010 3:25 PM
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For crying out loud. 

Of course it's a faster paced offense.  But no team fastbreaks everytime in real life, so comparing it to a real life offense doesn't work.  The Suns run an offense that would be under the "uptempo" setting.  This team did not.  Either way, it's still not as fast as it goes.  So what you're saying is, assuming both teams ran uptempo, you all would have been OK if there would have been 80-90 fouls and 120+ FTs?

It's shocking that people aren't seeing the problem with two teams, only one of which ran fastbreak, neither of which ran uptempo by WiS' definition, producing  these type of results.

6/24/2010 3:30 PM
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A normal fastbreak offense should result in similar shot attempts to motion or triangle running uptempo and slightly less than Flex running uptempo. Fastbreak running uptempo should produce far more shot attempts then any other offense. All uptempo and normal tempo aren't created the same.

6/24/2010 3:38 PM
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Isack, you're arguing with guys that don't understand the way the game works.  Its a waste of your time.  Yes, this is a ridiculous result. 
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