A tangent on my baseline prestige thread. So they keep the "elite" schools artificially elevated in prestige, but the hiring logic doen't seem to have the same hardline criteria for coachs.

When the KU job opened up at the end of last season in Iba, I checked it out, just for giggles. With my PIT Champ, EE, 15 wins (reload), and NC in the last 4, I was told Keep Looking. I didn't plan on applying, I like where I am, was just interested to see. The coach who WAS hired, who I'm guessing was still a longshot, had only 3 NT wins in the last 4 seasons...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on KU's new coach, I'm happy he got the school he wanted and wish him luck (just not too much since I have to play him 2x a year), I'm more hating on the logic of the game. I am just baffled by a hiring and prestige logic that say that KU is one of THE top schools, but tells a coach with a pretty good record to keep looking and then hires a coach with far fewer NT wins.

I mean at the very least, shouldn't that reward of never dropping to a B be handed out with a bit higher criteria? And if a recent NC isn't enough, how is 3 wins in 4 years?

I know that the game mechanics come first, but these two issues really need to be addressed soon after. There are several elites in the combined worlds with coaches who haven't sniffed a deep NT run who've been there for years, so the firing logic is too loose. Tighten up the firing and hiring logic if you insist on making those schools untouchable.

I agree. It doesn't make any sense that you wouldn't be able to get any coaching job you apply for. If you have a NC, then in real life, any team would hire you. It's stupid that the SimAI is a prefered coach over even a decent human coach. It should be much easier to get DI jobs.

I'm pretty sure there was never a point in my Naismith career where I was eligible for an elite job. Not after my second title in four seasons, with a Sweet 16 in between, and not after my back-to-back Final Fours at Tennessee.

Wow, worse than I thought. The new coach says it was listed as a "Step Backwards" for him. Are you kidding me?

+1     

Here is one for you.  2 PIT trips and a NT trip in 3 of the past four seasons in Crum and not qualified to move up to even a D- school.  Been with the same team for the past seven seasons just waiting on that first NT trip to move up and now can't.  Beginning to think HD is a waste of my time anymore and there is no sense in playing if I can't ever move up with some modest success.  I know I am not great, but think I have done enough to at least get a very low DI school.  Am I wrong?

Posted by ccollins11 on 7/10/2010 1:27:00 AM (view original):
Here is one for you.  2 PIT trips and a NT trip in 3 of the past four seasons in Crum and not qualified to move up to even a D- school.  Been with the same team for the past seven seasons just waiting on that first NT trip to move up and now can't.  Beginning to think HD is a waste of my time anymore and there is no sense in playing if I can't ever move up with some modest success.  I know I am not great, but think I have done enough to at least get a very low DI school.  Am I wrong?

Nope.  I would think that a D- school would be "gettable" for you based on the last four seasons.  Probably not anything higher than that though.  Incidentally, if you don't mind, what are your Rep and Loyalty at?  I figure the Loyalty has to be an A+, but your Rep may be what's holding you back.  Not saying it is, but it could be the reason..........

Posted by doomey on 7/9/2010 5:48:00 AM (view original):
A tangent on my baseline prestige thread. So they keep the "elite" schools artificially elevated in prestige, but the hiring logic doen't seem to have the same hardline criteria for coachs.

When the KU job opened up at the end of last season in Iba, I checked it out, just for giggles. With my PIT Champ, EE, 15 wins (reload), and NC in the last 4, I was told Keep Looking. I didn't plan on applying, I like where I am, was just interested to see. The coach who WAS hired, who I'm guessing was still a longshot, had only 3 NT wins in the last 4 seasons...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on KU's new coach, I'm happy he got the school he wanted and wish him luck (just not too much since I have to play him 2x a year), I'm more hating on the logic of the game. I am just baffled by a hiring and prestige logic that say that KU is one of THE top schools, but tells a coach with a pretty good record to keep looking and then hires a coach with far fewer NT wins.

I mean at the very least, shouldn't that reward of never dropping to a B be handed out with a bit higher criteria? And if a recent NC isn't enough, how is 3 wins in 4 years?

I know that the game mechanics come first, but these two issues really need to be addressed soon after. There are several elites in the combined worlds with coaches who haven't sniffed a deep NT run who've been there for years, so the firing logic is too loose. Tighten up the firing and hiring logic if you insist on making those schools untouchable.

Doomey, if the new Kansas coach was being truthful (and we have no reason to believe that he wasn't) and was listed as a "Step Backward", and you were listed as a "Keep Looking", with the two resumes involved, I think you have an extremely valid point.  Seriously, if a resume like his is all that it takes to get a school like Kansas (and his resume isn't bad mind you, but there's absolutely nothing extraordinary about it.  In fact, it's, well, ordinary) then I would agree with you in that there is a SERIOUS flaw in the hiring process somewhere.

No disrepect to Sull, but that resume shouldn't be good enough to get him an elite like Kansas.  Like I said, it's ordinary.  Yet he was listed as a "Step Backward"?  And Doomey's, whose resume is FAR more impressive was told to "Keep Looking"?  Something doesn't smell right here.....................

wait...i thought "keep looking" meant that you're qualified, but the job isn't worth applying to...

No, that would be step backwards

Posted by ccollins11 on 7/10/2010 1:27:00 AM (view original):
Here is one for you.  2 PIT trips and a NT trip in 3 of the past four seasons in Crum and not qualified to move up to even a D- school.  Been with the same team for the past seven seasons just waiting on that first NT trip to move up and now can't.  Beginning to think HD is a waste of my time anymore and there is no sense in playing if I can't ever move up with some modest success.  I know I am not great, but think I have done enough to at least get a very low DI school.  Am I wrong?

Your highest RPI ever is a 77.  That is going to hurt you.

Posted by ccollins11 on 7/10/2010 1:27:00 AM (view original):
Here is one for you.  2 PIT trips and a NT trip in 3 of the past four seasons in Crum and not qualified to move up to even a D- school.  Been with the same team for the past seven seasons just waiting on that first NT trip to move up and now can't.  Beginning to think HD is a waste of my time anymore and there is no sense in playing if I can't ever move up with some modest success.  I know I am not great, but think I have done enough to at least get a very low DI school.  Am I wrong?

No, I think you'd be just short. Only one NT appearance (a first-round loss where you only made it by winning the CT), no seasons w. a really strong rpi. One big thing is your scheduling -- if you put together a half decent schedule, you wouldn't be stuck winning a bunch of games but with mediocre rpi's that are barely getting you into the PIT. (Not saying you need to go overboard, but right now the scheduling is so weak that it is hurting your chances for both the postseason and thus moving up to DI.)

I don't know, dalt, a SS and a second round gets you the KU job... He may be in line for a BCS school by that logic.